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Texas reducing efforts on out of state recruiting?

  • Saw this article on ESPN about how Texas lost out on DGB and Mack asked his coaches if "it was worth it" to come in second for a recruit instead of last. I love that this is how Mack thinks - it's so defeatist. Stoops would rather outwork the competition even if you miss more often than not.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/colleges/texas/football/recruiting/story/_/id/7547829/texas-longhorns-rethinking-how-spend-recruiting-money-energy

    Money, energy well-spent?
    Texas lost on two big-name recruits and is wondering if it was worth it

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    Strickland By Carter Strickland
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    AUSTIN, Texas -- Even before all the letters of intent and scholarship papers were signed, Mack Brown and his staff started to crunch the numbers.
    [+] EnlargeDorial Green-Beckham
    Denny Medley/US PresswireTexas missed on signing Dorial Green-Beckham which has Mack Brown rethinking his approach to pursuing prospects Texas can't land.

    Not the numbers you would think -- 28 new players fitting onto a roster and two-deep already loaded with underclassmen.

    But instead the financial numbers were the ones giving Brown some concern. Yep, even Texas, the wealthiest athletic department in the country, has to worry about budgets.

    "I met with the coaches (Wednesday morning) and said, 'Look back at how much money you spent. Go back and look at how much time you wasted. Go back and look at if you should have taken someone else,' " Brown said.

    The Texas head coach told his coaches: "Go back, and if you are second on somebody, you would rather be last than second. Second costs you time, energy, money and somebody else. Let's see if for [UT Athletics Director] DeLoss [Dodds] and our department, did we spend our money right? Did we not waste our time? Did we not waste our energy, and how will that help us do a better job next year?"

    That's because next year already has begun. And Texas, which has had its share of recruiting failures in the past, is trying to become a smarter, more efficient and successful program when it comes to who, where and why they spend their recruiting money and energy. To that end, 2012's out-of-state successes and failures are being dissected by the coaches.

    In the case of defensive end Torshiro Davis (Shreveport, La./Woodlawn), the relationship and bond that was formed between defensive line coach Bo Davis and the player is being examined. Why did it work? What did Bo Davis do to make a connection?

    The player told HornsNation: "The people in Texas, the love and how they care about their players, I felt like it was better at Texas than at LSU."

    Texas has to do a better job of conveying that feeling to all potential recruits. Because that was not the case in two instances where Texas' reach exceeded its grasp in 2012. Wide receiver Dorial Green-Beckham (Springfield, Mo./Hillcrest) and defensive end Mario Edwards (Denton, Texas/Ryan) both spurned the Longhorns for Missouri and Florida State, respectively.

    "If you recruit one and come in second, then I don't think it helps you," Brown said. "It took your time and energy away from somebody else. There is a time when you have to know if you are going to get a young man or not, and you stay in or you don't."
    Marcell Harris
    William Wilkerson/ESPN.comMarcell Harris is one safety the entire country will be after next year.

    Texas didn't know on Green-Beckham until the weekend before signing day. In fact, the week before signing day, with four potential recruits -- Davis, Dalton Santos (Van, Texas/Van), Daje Johnson (Pflugerville, Texas/Hendrickson) and Bryce Cottrell (Plano, Texas/West) -- hanging in the balance, the coaching staff was still zeroed in on Green-Beckham and made an in-home visit.

    Clearly that didn't pay off and has left Brown wondering if their time and energy could have been spent more wisely somewhere else. At least Texas knew before national signing day that it would not get Green-Beckham or Edwards.

    "Two of the young men we didn't get were gracious to get us out before signing day, because if you wait until today, you don't get two other players," Brown said. "So they were really great to us that they would tell us that we were not going to get them. At a time where so many are doing it today on TV and are costing coaches guys, I really appreciate those families being honest enough with us and saying, 'We are not going to come, you need to help another kid.' "

    As Texas turns to 2013, most of the 18-22 recruits that will be signed should come from the state. Therefore the time, money and energy expended will not be as great as it was in 2012.

    Still Texas will cast its eye to Florida in the hopes of attracting safety Marcell Harris (Groveland, Fla./South Lake). All three Florida schools are after Harris, as well as every power school in the SEC. In other words, Harris is not unlike Green-Beckham, Edwards or even Davis when it comes to suitors.

    What Texas has to figure out, using all its analysis from the 2012 class, is if it's worth it.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by kwest2 on 2/7/2012 at 10:19 AM

    kwest2

  • I think Mack needs to re-examine his meaning for the word "second". In no way did Texas come in second for DGB's signature. It's clear that they were at best fourth, behind OU, Arkansas, and eventual winner Missouri.

    soonerdowns

  • This doesn't have anything to do with time, energy or money...It has to do with Texas thinking how dare someone spurn our offer and the embarrassment that comes with them doing it.

    Kyote80

  • Maybe Mack is just old and tired and doesn't want to have to fly more than 45 minutes to recruit a kid. Heaven forbid he have to actually put effort to recruit someone instead of say "here's your offer Mr. youngkidwhohasalwaysbeenaTexasfan" followed by an immediate response of "I accept". Which is why most folks would probably agree that the Texas HC job has to be one of the easiest and cushiest jobs in the country. It shouldn't be hard at all to win there and I am always shocked by the relative lack of success Texas has had over the years.

    kwest2

  • From a business perspective, Mack is right on the money (no pun intended). I won't let my disdain for Texas get in the way of the essesnce of the article. There are costs and opportunity costs w/ recruiting a player. For ex., Norvell was clearly upset based on some of his quotes re: DGB and Nelson. If he could have that time and money back, who else could have OU got a commitment from as a result?

    I am sure Mack isn't the only business savvy head football coach out there, but I love his thinking on this topic. As a Strategic Business Unit Manager for Xerox, I am faced with these decisions every single day. They are not easy decisions and I applaud Mack for de-briefing after the cycle and looking for ways to continually improve his strategies, tactics, and processes. It is all about "Continuous Improvement"!!!

    albsooner

  • albsooner said...

    From a business perspective, Mack is right on the money (no pun intended). I won't let my disdain for Texas get in the way of the essesnce of the article. There are costs and opportunity costs w/ recruiting a player. For ex., Norvell was clearly upset based on some of his quotes re: DGB and Nelson. If he could have that time and money back, who else could have OU got a commitment from as a result?

    I am sure Mack isn't the only business savvy head football coach out there, but I love his thinking on this topic. As a Strategic Business Unit Manager for Xerox, I am faced with these decisions every single day. They are not easy decisions and I applaud Mack for de-briefing after the cycle and looking for ways to continually improve his strategies, tactics, and processes. It is all about "Continuous Improvement"!!!

    Alb, I hear you and agree with the logic. And indeed, it may work for Texas. But there are only a handful of schools that this "more efficiency / reduced effort" strategy could work for: USC, Texas, and...? Basically flagship schools in talent rich states.

    But I also think there is a degree of settling here. There are excellent players across the country, and if a coach decides that the effort/reward ratio is too high, then he is going to undoubtedly miss out on a lot of talented players. And for sure there are other coaches out there willing to put in the effort to land these players...

    kwest2

  • The arrogance that the Longhorns show is quite comical! This is just another reason why OU should kick their a##"es every year at the RRS.Go Sooners!!!!!!

    sooner8

  • So he wants to reduce his out-of-state recruiting from one to none?

    AustinTXSooner

  • kwest2 said...

    Saw this article on ESPN about how Texas lost out on DGB and Mack asked his coaches if "it was worth it" to come in second for a recruit instead of last. I love that this is how Mack thinks - it's so defeatist. Stoops would rather outwork the competition even if you miss more often than not.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/colleges/texas/football/recruiting/story/_/id/7547829/texas-longhorns-rethinking-how-spend-recruiting-money-energy

    Money, energy well-spent? Texas lost on two big-name recruits and is wondering if it was worth it

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    Strickland By Carter Strickland HornsNation Archive

    AUSTIN, Texas -- Even before all the letters of intent and scholarship papers were signed, Mack Brown and his staff started to crunch the numbers. [+] EnlargeDorial Green-Beckham Denny Medley/US PresswireTexas missed on signing Dorial Green-Beckham which has Mack Brown rethinking his approach to pursuing prospects Texas can't land.

    Not the numbers you would think -- 28 new players fitting onto a roster and two-deep already loaded with underclassmen.

    But instead the financial numbers were the ones giving Brown some concern. Yep, even Texas, the wealthiest athletic department in the country, has to worry about budgets.

    "I met with the coaches (Wednesday morning) and said, 'Look back at how much money you spent. Go back and look at how much time you wasted. Go back and look at if you should have taken someone else,' " Brown said.

    The Texas head coach told his coaches: "Go back, and if you are second on somebody, you would rather be last than second. Second costs you time, energy, money and somebody else. Let's see if for [UT Athletics Director] DeLoss [Dodds] and our department, did we spend our money right? Did we not waste our time? Did we not waste our energy, and how will that help us do a better job next year?"

    That's because next year already has begun. And Texas, which has had its share of recruiting failures in the past, is trying to become a smarter, more efficient and successful program when it comes to who, where and why they spend their recruiting money and energy. To that end, 2012's out-of-state successes and failures are being dissected by the coaches.

    In the case of defensive end Torshiro Davis (Shreveport, La./Woodlawn), the relationship and bond that was formed between defensive line coach Bo Davis and the player is being examined. Why did it work? What did Bo Davis do to make a connection?

    The player told HornsNation: "The people in Texas, the love and how they care about their players, I felt like it was better at Texas than at LSU."

    Texas has to do a better job of conveying that feeling to all potential recruits. Because that was not the case in two instances where Texas' reach exceeded its grasp in 2012. Wide receiver Dorial Green-Beckham (Springfield, Mo./Hillcrest) and defensive end Mario Edwards (Denton, Texas/Ryan) both spurned the Longhorns for Missouri and Florida State, respectively.

    "If you recruit one and come in second, then I don't think it helps you," Brown said. "It took your time and energy away from somebody else. There is a time when you have to know if you are going to get a young man or not, and you stay in or you don't." Marcell Harris William Wilkerson/ESPN.comMarcell Harris is one safety the entire country will be after next year.

    Texas didn't know on Green-Beckham until the weekend before signing day. In fact, the week before signing day, with four potential recruits -- Davis, Dalton Santos (Van, Texas/Van), Daje Johnson (Pflugerville, Texas/Hendrickson) and Bryce Cottrell (Plano, Texas/West) -- hanging in the balance, the coaching staff was still zeroed in on Green-Beckham and made an in-home visit.

    Clearly that didn't pay off and has left Brown wondering if their time and energy could have been spent more wisely somewhere else. At least Texas knew before national signing day that it would not get Green-Beckham or Edwards.

    "Two of the young men we didn't get were gracious to get us out before signing day, because if you wait until today, you don't get two other players," Brown said. "So they were really great to us that they would tell us that we were not going to get them. At a time where so many are doing it today on TV and are costing coaches guys, I really appreciate those families being honest enough with us and saying, 'We are not going to come, you need to help another kid.' "

    As Texas turns to 2013, most of the 18-22 recruits that will be signed should come from the state. Therefore the time, money and energy expended will not be as great as it was in 2012.

    Still Texas will cast its eye to Florida in the hopes of attracting safety Marcell Harris (Groveland, Fla./South Lake). All three Florida schools are after Harris, as well as every power school in the SEC. In other words, Harris is not unlike Green-Beckham, Edwards or even Davis when it comes to suitors.

    What Texas has to figure out, using all its analysis from the 2012 class, is if it's worth it.

    Poor texas, just makes a guy want to cry for the super rich.

    poisonivy

  • I can already see the snake oil salesman setting up assistant coaches to run off after next season. He may be the Bully in Texas but cross the borders and all of a sudden it changes.

    grumpysooner

  • Mack has decided he would rather be "last" than "second". Hmm,...is he just talking about recruiting?

    Incsooner

  • Kyote80 said...

    This doesn't have anything to do with time, energy or money...It has to do with Texas thinking how dare someone spurn our offer and the embarrassment that comes with them doing it.

    I think you hit the nail on the head!!!!!

    OURICH

  • Kyote80 said...

    This doesn't have anything to do with time, energy or money...It has to do with Texas thinking how dare someone spurn our offer and the embarrassment that comes with them doing it.

    +1

    UT should never have to take "no" from a recruit, and definitely should not come in FOURTH!

    This post was edited by cpacton on 2/7/2012 at 9:30 PM

    cpacton

  • Maybe its just Mack seeing the great Texas recruits going to OU and winning Big 12 championships, he's just saying, HEY, lets just recruit Texas, everything ut needs to win is in tx. Go where the great recruits are. Texas has a much larger population of recruits to pick from. Its really just a numbers game.

    rockadcock

  • Interesting that he doesn't feel the same about his salary. Did Deloss spend wisely in extending the contract of a .500 head coach over the last two seasons?

    Mack can't stand to lose on a recruit. That's why he targets Longhorn fans. He'll take a slow footed OL who is 3*s in order to not have to fight for someone else. He used to boast of signing 25 of 30 offers or similar, his pride on that hasn't changed.

    Deep Red

  • Considering the widespread popularity of 7-on-7 camps and spread offenses in Texas high school football, I am fine with Texass staying with in-state recruiting because they'll never be able to transition successfully to an SEC style program.

    Matteon

  • ut rarely has to go outside their state and when they do,they find out that they're not as popular nationally as their gigantic ego thinks and it's hard for them to understand why they're not loved like they're loved by espn and fellow texans.So since they can't handle being shut out,they'll just go home.This has nothing to do with money because they have more money than all of the Big 12 schools combined.It's laughable that Mack acts like he's concerned about saving money on a recruiting trip.What a joke!!fexas

    This post was edited by frizz on 2/7/2012 at 11:40 PM

    frizz

  • They have never recruited all that well nationally. Only Texas kids still want to go there after 5-7 and 8-5. Do what you do best Texas.....stay local.

    AustinSooner36

  • Seems too like it could be a message to all his new staff that their desire to recruit the best nationally is not his style. He recruited these coaches and he gave them some freedom, but after signing day he is not impressed.

    Mack is an old dog.

    Deep Red

  • In a roundabout way, this is basically Mack reaffirming his attitude of not offering until Mack knows the player will commit. While I understand, this is lazy recruiting.

    Mack doesn't like to be turned down. I bet this results in Texas backing off players like DGB who might want to go thru the recruiting process and not reveal their decision until the last week.

    Mack likes his recruits to commit on the first phone call and be done with it. Lazy.

    LTSooner

  • Call me part of the tin foil hat club, but I'm confident that Mack was tickled pink that DGB and Edwards went anywhere but OU. Both kids were big OU leans at some point during last Fall...and they entered their recruiting race just to make sure it didn't happen.

    All one has to do to cut costs at UT... is cut Mack's ridiculous salary and annual raises.

    Hback73317

  • It's a load of horse manure. More Texas arrogance. They are basically saying, "what was it we didn't convey properly?" As if the reason kids chose to go elsewhere was because Texas didn't get the message right. If only they had seen the real Texas with all the love and family. Makes me sick. I'm a cow chip stacker at Manures R Us and Mack could be our CEO. He's a genius in manure. I'm not buying what he's selling though. It's also about humility.

    kboz61

  • One Way to Never Lose is to Never Play.

    In simple terms, if Mack isn't 99% sure he can Win, he doesn't want to Play.

    I hope Mack stays at Texas another 15 years.

    NCJIM