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System QB

  • Can someone clearly define this term?

    Is LJ a system QB?

    I know there are many of us don't believe in him. Even after 505 passing. I have to admit I'm still leaning that direction.

    Would you rather have Luck?

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  • OU Pepperoni said...

    Can someone clearly define this term?

    Is LJ a system QB?

    I know there are many of us don't believe in him. Even after 505 passing. I have to admit I'm still leaning that direction.

    Would you rather have Luck?

    What would it take for you to believe in him?

    This post was edited by frizz on 10/30/2011 at 1:04 AM

    frizz

  • OU Pepperoni said...

    Can someone clearly define this term?

    Is LJ a system QB?

    I know there are many of us don't believe in him. Even after 505 passing. I have to admit I'm still leaning that direction.

    Would you rather have Luck?

    1. I'd say the best definition of a system QB is to look at tx tech. They've had about 6 different guys since 2000 all put up great stats, but i don't think any of them have ever done anything in the NFL. Harrell was the 3rd QB for GB last year, but never played. Whoever they ran out there was gonna do the exact same thing. I don't recall Paul Thompson, Nate Hybl or Rhett Bomar ever putting up eye popping stats.

    2. No

    3. Believe in him for what? To win a NC? Is that the only criteria he's judged by? If so, Peyton Manning shouldn't have been believed in either.

    4. Yes. Unfortunately thats not how sports work. You cant have the best player in the country at every position.

    Hybl4Heisman

  • frizz said...

    What would it take for you to believe in him?

    There are times he looks great. He has been taught fundamentals really well and physically is right on. For the most part, the play dictates where he is to go with the ball and he puts it on the money. As a freshman they really controlled everything he was to do, not much reading or improvising at all. Since, he has learned to read better and has that option on some of the calls.

    It does seem though that Heupel still isn't comfortable with turning plays over to him or have him call his own audibles.

    I think he's done a great job of improving and he really shines at times. I don't think that he is ready for the NFL where quick read decision making is the game.

    I do think he's a system QB and he shows how good our system is, it will be interesting to see what Bell brings to the table because I'm starting to believe he may beat Allen for the job.

    Deep Red

  • Deep Red said...

    There are times he looks great. He has been taught fundamentals really well and physically is right on. For the most part, the play dictates where he is to go with the ball and he puts it on the money. As a freshman they really controlled everything he was to do, not much reading or improvising at all. Since, he has learned to read better and has that option on some of the calls.

    It does seem though that Heupel still isn't comfortable with turning plays over to him or have him call his own audibles.

    I think he's done a great job of improving and he really shines at times. I don't think that he is ready for the NFL where quick read decision making is the game.

    I do think he's a system QB and he shows how good our system is, it will be interesting to see what Bell brings to the table because I'm starting to believe he may beat Allen for the job.

    Well Landry may decide to comeback next year and he'll have time to improve on calling audibles.If Landry would call some audible he might even throw for over 700 yds a game and for 7 touchdowns per game.By the way do you think the pros use this kind of system ?Does the system make him have the ability to throw all of those touchdowns?

    frizz

  • When this question comes up the thing i think about was what Ryan Broyles said that Landry is willing to throw into a tighter window than Bradford was, i thought that was quite telling..and against Kstate today i saw proof of that several times...When Landry learns to look off receivers he will be deadly...no not a system guy...last week he made a great move to get away from a defender i was like wow where did that come from...Matt Millen is right another year would do him good but would Blake Bell be down with that?

    This post was edited by sooners101 on 10/31/2011 at 2:40 AM

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  • Guy continues to smash OU records and we got people calling him a system QB seriously?

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  • sooners101 said...

    When this question comes up the thing i think about was what Ryan Broyles said that Landry is willing to throw into a tighter window than Bradford was, i thought thats was quite telling..and against Kstate today i saw proof of that several times...When Landry learns to look off receivers he will be deadly...no not a system guy...last week he made a great move to get away from a defender i was like wow where did that come from...Matt Millen is right another year would do him good but would Blake Bell be down with that?

    Well if Bell would transfer he would have to sit out a year anyway.So I don't see him going anywhere else to play football.

    frizz

  • Hybl4Heisman said...

    1. I'd say the best definition of a system QB is to look at tx tech. They've had about 6 different guys since 2000 all put up great stats, but i don't think any of them have ever done anything in the NFL. Harrell was the 3rd QB for GB last year, but never played. Whoever they ran out there was gonna do the exact same thing. I don't recall Paul Thompson, Nate Hybl or Rhett Bomar ever putting up eye popping stats.

    2. No

    3. Believe in him for what? To win a NC? Is that the only criteria he's judged by? If so, Peyton Manning shouldn't have been believed in either.

    4. Yes. Unfortunately thats not how sports work. You cant have the best player in the country at every position.

    +1

    CrimsonHeart

  • Don't forget, if Landry's a system QB, so is Bradford. And in case you haven't noticed, Bradford has the 2nd worst QB rating in the league among starters.

    spudman

  • Every QB is a system QB. If they have been recruited properly, they will fit the system that the HC and OC want to run.

    KYSooner

  • SoonerManChild said...

    Guy continues to smash OU records and we got people calling him a system QB seriously?

    No kidding!

    oumodguy

  • spudman said...

    Don't forget, if Landry's a system QB, so is Bradford. And in case you haven't noticed, Bradford has the 2nd worst QB rating in the league among starters.

    Bradford is the victim of being the #1 draft pick. You go to a horrible team with no help around you. Landry is a great young man and team leader. He's also a great QB, but he is not yet in the same conversation with Bradford. He might be in another year, but today he would still be Bradford's backup.

    soonerbro

  • soonerbro said...

    Bradford is the victim of being the #1 draft pick. You go to a horrible team with no help around you. Landry is a great young man and team leader. He's also a great QB, but he is not yet in the same conversation with Bradford. He might be in another year, but today he would still be Bradford's backup.

    Bradford has no help. His WR core is awful and the new offensive scheme is just bad. McDaniels is not playing to the strength of the guys on the field. Add to the fact the Rams schedule this year is twice as hard as last year and you get the results you see today. They need some OL and WR help badly. Sam will be deadly once they get him some time to throw and guys who can catch or at least won't drop a reception.

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  • The only thing I don't like about LJ is that he seems to panic when there is any pressure.
    Listen; I couldn't do it. But I think a top rank QB at a national power should be better at it than he is.
    He always seems to run away instead of stepping up into the pocket. At least he hasn't fumbled this year under pressure.
    Maybe I don't know what to look for and you sure can't argue with his success.

    billk

  • billk said...

    The only thing I don't like about LJ is that he seems to panic when there is any pressure.
    Listen; I couldn't do it. But I think a top rank QB at a national power should be better at it than he is.
    He always seems to run away instead of stepping up into the pocket. At least he hasn't fumbled this year under pressure.
    Maybe I don't know what to look for and you sure can't argue with his success.

    At times you can really see the anxiety on his ball, and to me it really shows up in the red zone. There are a number of areas to blame on our redzone woes besides Jones, but he is the man with the ball in his hands, and he really needs to continue working on differing levels of velocity in the redzone.

    I did see some velocity changes yesterday that made it seem like he is working on it. Some of them though were softer underthrown balls deep.

    All in all, despite the two picks, he played great in Manhattan.

    Deep Red

  • He would be a system QB if he threw nothing but dink passes to Broyles, Stills and the backs who then ran through the opposition for all his yardage. You can't subtract from his performance just because he has two great receivers and another (Jaz) who only needs Broyles to graduate to get real appreciation.

    When our right CB blitzed Doege, he blindly threw to the vacated area to which a receiver had come back. That completion was a system completion. Landry is going to keep getting better until he's 36 or so. Another couple of thousand pass attempts and his accuracy is going to be amazing.

    Heupel is a mad mechanic building things in his garage. He wants to make a QB with his brain and the prototype pro QB body and talents. Landry may be his Norm Van Brocklin. If he eventually puts one of the smaller QBs (Thompson or Knight) out on the field, that guy will be his Josh Heupel. That ain't so bad.

    cullison

  • you are an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    jimbo Elrod

  • Every QB plays in an offensive scheme or system if you want to use that term. People who use the term "system QB" are usually trying to detract from some kid. This is just dumb to think that every QB isn't a product of the scheme he plays in.

    In case some haven't noticed, the NFL is gradually adopting the spread and no huddle offensive concepts that are so pervasive in the college game.

    If any of you watched the Stanford/USC game last night, you would have seen Andrew Luck throw an interception that almost cost them the game. Luck is as prone to mistakes as other college QBs. In this instance he locked onto a receiver and never saw the CB ready to step up and catch the ball. It is just something that happens every once in a while to the best of them.

    roygbell

  • jimbo Elrod said...

    you are an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thank you for stating the fact!!!!! Great post.

    This post was edited by frizz on 10/30/2011 at 6:34 PM

    frizz

  • Are you calling me an idiot for asking a complicated question? I think this is a valid topic to discuss. If you don't want to partake in a discussion that doesn't involve pumping sunshine up you ass then just go away.

    I've heard people accusing us of running system QBs all throughout the Stoops era.

    Explain why none of these guys who broke all the records before them can't make it in the NFL. Sam not withstanding despite his QB rating.

    Explain why none of them can be trusted to call their own plays. Did you see Luck staring in confusion to the sideline last night?

    YAC are a qb's friend.

    If our team is playing poorly do you really think: it's okay, Landry will put the team on his shoulders and get us over the hump?

    LJ is usually very accurate, asside from the occasional bonehead play. But those come 50 pass attempts. He has NFL talent wrs. Litefooted TEs pass blocking well. An offense throwing 75% of the time. The formula of a system QB.

    If any element of the system is off we are screwed.

    This is not a knock. It's just an observation. And a fact.

    And you can take off you crimson glasses and kiss my ass for calling me an idiot.

    Nothing wrong with a little honesty around here.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by OU Pepperoni on 10/30/2011 at 10:56 PM

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  • You just told Jimbo Elrod to kiss your ass! Thats blasphemy! What do you mean why have none of them made it in the NFL? Bradford was the #1 pick. Landry Jones looks like he's gonna get picked in the first round. Do i really need to explain to you why Jason White didn't make it in the NFL? The rest of the guys weren't NFL quality players, they also, like i said earlier didn't put up anywhere near the stats White, Bradford and Jones have. No, i didn't see Luck looking towards the sideline, but did you see Luck throw a pick 6 that almost cost his team their season? If Landry Jones did that we'd have 9 threads on the front page about how he can't lead us to a NC.

    Hybl4Heisman

  • OU Pepperoni said...

    Are you calling me an idiot fir asking a complicated question?

    I've heard people accusing us of running system QBs all throughout the Stoops era.

    Explain why none of these guys who broke all the records before them can't make it in the NFL. Sam not withstanding despite his QB rating.

    I thought he was calling me an idiot.

    But I'd say the chief reason neither Josh Heupel nor Jason White could play in the pros was simply pre-existing injuries.

    Our other QBs have been:
    Hybl - not physically up to pros' standards
    Bomar - didn't complete our program
    Thompson - a miracle he won a conference championship
    Bradford - so far so good
    Jones - he'll improve till he's 36

    I'll go a little farther and say that if Kevin Wilson could win a championship with Paul Thompson, who became a QB a couple of weeks before the beginning of the season, I think he could have done it with Tommy Grady too. And that's the opposite of being a system QB; that's an O-Coordinator who can rig up an offense to meet the strengths (or avoid the weaknesses) of any QB.

    cullison

  • Well if he wasn't calling me an idiot I'll apologize. Still, there's no reason to toss out insults without taking 30 seconds to state your point.

    I always support our guy. I just wanted to hear some intelligent thoughts on this subject. Win some, lose some I guess.

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  • Hybl4Heisman said...

    4. Yes. Unfortunately thats not how sports work. You cant have the best player in the country at every position.

    Why not? Realistic question.

    NNicholson