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Proposed JUCO rules will make it tougher

  • There are a series of changes being proposed for JUCO transfers, including increasing the GPA to 2.5 or 2.6 for 2 year transfers. It could have a lot of impact on some programs and would certainly force more JUCO players to go to larger CC's where academic work could be tutored, and put the smaller JC's at a definite disadvantage due to their financial limitations. There are also other unintended consequences.

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    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by pantheraonca on 4/20/2012 at 11:35 AM

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  • Alan...From what I know at this point, I am not sure I see a downside to requiring a 2.5. If a student athlete is having difficulty achieving a 2.5 at a JC, then they will most certainly have even more difficulty when attending a D I school.

    Personally, I like the slighly increased increasse on academics.

    I am not sure but I think you may have meant "un"intended consequences. What would some of those intended or unintended consequences be?

    This post was edited by albsooner on 4/20/2012 at 8:23 AM

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  • albsooner said...

    Alan...From what I know at this point, I am not sure I see a downside to requiring a 2.5. If a student athlete is having difficulty achieving a 2.5 at a JC, then they will most certainly have even more difficulty when attending a D I school.

    Personally, I like the slighly increased increasse on academics.

    I am not sure but I think you may have meant "un"intended consequences. What would some of those intended or unintended consequences be?

    A few years after receiving my BFA from OU....I moved to IL, where I decided I'd like to add to my education and become a teacher. I was required to pick up some 'gen ed' classes (for some reason my gen ed classes from a D1 school did not transfer) at the local community college. Some of these professors I had there where much harder and BETTER than some that I had at OU! I realize I was older (and that MIGHT have contributed, but I don't think so), but I will never say that a community college or junior college is 'easier' than a D1 school. JMO

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  • albsooner said...

    Alan...From what I know at this point, I am not sure I see a downside to requiring a 2.5. If a student athlete is having difficulty achieving a 2.5 at a JC, then they will most certainly have even more difficulty when attending a D I school.

    Personally, I like the slighly increased increasse on academics.

    I am not sure but I think you may have meant "un"intended consequences. What would some of those intended or unintended consequences be?

    albsooner-

    Yes, I meant unintended consequences and have now change it. Thanks. Also, the concern, at least from Canyoneers perspective, is that 2.3 GPA from HS is required to play NCAA athletics (if I understand entrance requirements, but I don't have the full scoop from Canyoneer). Therefor, the requirements for a kid transferring from a CC would be higher than the entrance from HS. Not sure how fair that is, but I can see both sides of this.

    A consequence will be again, this will really hurt smaller cc, and they do have a place. And some kids will just wait a year, play cc for two years, and then try to go pro, therefor never getting their degree. Seems to be a disincentive to me,

    alan

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  • pantheraonca said...

    albsooner-

    Yes, I meant unintended consequences and have now change it. Thanks. Also, the concern, at least from Canyoneers perspective, is that 2.3 GPA from HS is required to play NCAA athletics (if I understand entrance requirements, but I don't have the full scoop from Canyoneer). Therefor, the requirements for a kid transferring from a CC would be higher than the entrance from HS. Not sure how fair that is, but I can see both sides of this.

    A consequence will be again, this will really hurt smaller cc, and they do have a place. And some kids will just wait a year, play cc for two years, and then try to go pro, therefor never getting their degree. Seems to be a disincentive to me,

    alan

    The NFL needs to create an alternative. Not EVERYONE deserves to go to college if they don't have the grey matter or have not developed it! A huge amount of the CHEATING has to do with qualifying those that have no business in college playing sports....

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  • "The Committee on Academic Performance and the cabinet included representatives from the two-year college community in their conversations, and all groups said they were interested in pursuing a concept that would allow for significant remediation of some student-athletes at the two-year college level, with possible adjustments to the progress-toward-degree requirements that would permit more time at the two-year college to meet the academic transfer requirements. The concept would not permit any athletics competition during the student’s first year at the two-year institution. Other details, including how a prospective student-athlete would qualify for such a path, would have to be worked out, but the groups were all interested in pursuing the idea further."

    There’s a lot of idea’s being thrown around in this article. This is one that I find intriguing for several reasons. It doesn’t say if the student athlete would be able to follow this path because of just academic short falls or if any athlete could follow this path.

    It sounds to me like the athlete would be able to take three years to complete his JUCO program and still have two years to play at the D-1 level. It doesn’t say however if he would be able to complete his JUCO program early without penalty. It also doesn’t say if this program would have to be completed at one JUCO. In other words would a student be able to attend a year at his neighborhood JUCO to start the program then be able to transfer to a better football school after that which should save him some money. Also would he be able to set out a year at a non-football JUCO then be able to red shirt the next year at the same non-football school. If so would he be able to graduate in two years instead of three and transfer to a D-1 school with four years of eligibility.

    It also makes you wonder if it would be limited to academic challenged student. In other words would a 17 or 18 year old high school senior that was a borderline D-1 athlete be able to take this path and take his chances at making it to a D-1 school two or three years down the road when he very well could be bigger, stronger and more academically prepared for a D-1 program. I think a number of kids that at 17 who wouldn’t get the time of day from a D-1 at 20 with three or four years of eligibility would have a number of D-1 schools wanting their services.

    As for the GPA going up for JUCO transfers I don’t see a problem with that and I think that they would really like to raise the requirements for HS students as well. Just some thoughts I had after reading this.

    NevadaSooner

  • zevogolf said...

    The NFL needs to create an alternative. Not EVERYONE deserves to go to college if they don't have the grey matter or have not developed it! A huge amount of the CHEATING has to do with qualifying those that have no business in college playing sports....

    Yes BUT…
    If kids could go straight to the NFL, the best HS players would go NFL and college FB would suffer greatly. If a coach has low standards he's gonna cheat anyway.
    I like the three years after HS rule. Serves the pros by letting colleges be their minor league teams and serves the colleges by keeping the best players in college for a few years.
    Even if they are poor students, learning something new is always an advantage for anybody. Some poor HS students get to college and with all the tutors and help offered to athletes, they can make their grades and if they don't graduate, can come back and graduate after their FB days are over.

    billk

  • Why have ANY qualifications to play in college? It's what happens anyway, do away with grade requirements and treat college as a true minor league for the NFL, NBA and MLB. This is the game most major colleges play in getting Athletes qualified to attend school. If you are interested in SERVING the colleges needs why put any rules in???

    This post was edited by zevogolf on 4/23/2012 at 11:51 AM

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