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Phil Steele's Oklahoma Preview

  • Steele posts 1 preview per day, but his web designers aren't smart enough to realize that even if the link isn't there, you can still access the files manually. Here is the OU preview for those of you who did not / will not buy the magazine.

    http://philsteele.com/Pdf/2012Top40Countdown/2oklahoma.pdf

    "WithJones turning down a shot at the NFL, they have 15 ret sts and 8 of my 9 sets of power ratings call for a 12-0 season!"

    This post was edited by kwest2 on 6/8/2012 at 12:16 PM

    kwest2

  • Thanks for posting. Interesting he projects Whaley as a starter. Might be wishful thinking but I would sure like to see him back on the field.

    argonaut


  • Obviously written earlier as he has Reynolds & Franks playing.

    He has OU #2 in his pre-season poll and playing against FSU for the NC. He has always been high on OU...

    Pressbox

  • Thanks kwest. Not enuf stats, tho. LOL

    That's who I am... a Sooner.

    burbanksooner1

  • Pressbox said...

    Obviously written earlier as he has Reynolds & Franks playing.

    Steele has said that his methods involve revising his magazine multiple times to make sure it's as current as possible, such as after the bowls, pre-spring, post-spring, etc. If the linked version still has Reynolds and Franks then I'd not be surprised if it's an older version from before the latest revisions.

    Matteon

  • Steele obviously doesn't consult this board before making his projections.

    Faultline

  • In his forecast, all he did was review our history. Where's the forecast?

    MannaSooner

  • I can make a preview of OU's season in a short question.

    How good will Landry Jones be?

    If he is great then great special season if he is the QB the last 4 games of last year then very good season.

    tyresooner

  • The run game will determine how good Landry Jones will be this year.

    goldsooner

  • Landry Jones will determine how good the run game is this year..

    We are a spread offense the offense goes how your QB goes in the spread.... the run game isn't the main focus.

    tyresooner

  • tyresooner said...

    Landry Jones will determine how good the run game is this year..

    We are a spread offense the offense goes how your QB goes in the spread.... the run game isn't the main focus.

    Hopefully we'll revert back to 2008 where we were not a spread offense. THat requires a good running game though to make PA more effective.

    Matteon

  • tyresooner said...

    We are a spread offense the offense goes how your QB goes in the spread.... the run game isn't the main focus.

    Try telling that to Bob Stoops and see how that works out for you...

    SoonerVeebs

  • SoonerVeebs said...

    Try telling that to Bob Stoops and see how that works out for you...

    I will gladly tell Bob Stoops that because it is true. We RUN THE SPREAD we run Spread routes and spread running plays. The spread offense is a pass first offense not a run offense. The pro set is a balanced attack as far as routes, sets, blocking schemes, running plays and use of TE.

    In the spread, passing is the main focus. that doesn't mean the run game is non existant, it means that we use the pass to set up the run. The lack of down hill running plays in the spread is the reason we used the pistol formation some last year!

    We will be as good on offense as Landry Jones plays...... there is little debate in that...if he can throw into tight windows, make plays with pocket movement, not lock onto receivers and throw where the defense is not, make plays on 3rd down, get the ball into the receivers hands where they can run after the catch etc then we will have a special year.

    tyresooner

  • tyresooner said...

    I will gladly tell Bob Stoops that because it is true. We RUN THE SPREAD we run Spread routes and spread running plays. The spread offense is a pass first offense not a run offense. The pro set is a balanced attack as far as routes, sets, blocking schemes, running plays and use of TE.

    To be more clear, we switched to the spread starting in 2009 because the OL could not run block at all. It was more of an act of necessity than anything. Hopefully OU will have more of a 2008 type offense in 2012 which means not a spread offense at all.

    Matteon

  • Personally I wish we were more of a power I team. It would be nice to be able to run the ball on third and two instead of having to throw the dang thing because we can't pick up six feet!

    OUManiac

    OUManiac

  • tyresooner said...

    I will gladly tell Bob Stoops that because it is true. We RUN THE SPREAD we run Spread routes and spread running plays. The spread offense is a pass first offense not a run offense. The pro set is a balanced attack as far as routes, sets, blocking schemes, running plays and use of TE.

    In the spread, passing is the main focus. that doesn't mean the run game is non existant, it means that we use the pass to set up the run. The lack of down hill running plays in the spread is the reason we used the pistol formation some last year!

    We will be as good on offense as Landry Jones plays...... there is little debate in that...if he can throw into tight windows, make plays with pocket movement, not lock onto receivers and throw where the defense is not, make plays on 3rd down, get the ball into the receivers hands where they can run after the catch etc then we will have a special year.

    Disagree,

    Regarding the run game, LJ should not be throwing 45 times per game. He is doing that because OU has not been able to rely on the run game consistently.

    There have been many, many games where LJ has thrown the ball exceptionally well and the run game has still struggled.

    If OU can get back to an offense that approximates the balance of 2008, then LJ's performance will improve.

    As much criticism as he takes, never has an OU QB been asked to carry an entire offense to the degree he has. That includes SB.

    LY started promising with Whaley/Clay and when they went down, Finch did as well as could be expected but the run game was not the same.

    This post was edited by NorthCalSooner on 6/10/2012 at 6:46 AM

    NorthCalSooner

  • Lets hope that Jones' comfort with the offense, his line blocking, and the work he has done this off-season to work on his pocket presence and elusiveness all come to fruition. What I like about Landry is that he recognizes the holes in his game and has gone the xtra mile to improve upon them. I expect to see a polished passer, and a Heisman run from him. Whether he gets it or not will depend on how good OUr running game is this year, because if he gets taken out this year as often as last he will never meet even his own expectations. The coaching staff needs to know this as well, I am hoping that they understand that just as Landry is investing in them, they need to invest in him and set him up to succeed. I like the belldozer, but good teams can and will start shutting it down. There is plenty of film on it, and though I think it has its uses, last year in the stretch it was clearly overused because it was our best offensive weapon. Landry needs to know that HIS arm, and HIS decision making are our best offensive weapons, because the Belldozer will not take us to a CCG.

    MDS00NER

  • Matteon said...

    To be more clear, we switched to the spread starting in 2009 because the OL could not run block at all. It was more of an act of necessity than anything. Hopefully OU will have more of a 2008 type offense in 2012 which means not a spread offense at all.

    we have been a spread team since Bob Stoops got here and hired Mike Leach. Josh H ran the spread as did every QB since then.

    The spread is a 4 wide set that "spreads" the field horizontally that makes defenses that run zones cover from sideline to side line and it takes a GREAT QB to make these quick reads since most drops from center are 3 and 5 step drops or from shotgun formation.

    We did not switch to the spread in 2008!!

    tyresooner

  • tyresooner said...

    we have been a spread team since Bob Stoops got here and hired Mike Leach. Josh H ran the spread as did every QB since then.

    The spread is a 4 wide set that "spreads" the field horizontally that makes defenses that run zones cover from sideline to side line and it takes a GREAT QB to make these quick reads since most drops from center are 3 and 5 step drops or from shotgun formation.

    We did not switch to the spread in 2008!!

    I know what a spread offense is. We did not run the spread in any way in 2008.

    Matteon

  • Matteon said...

    I know what a spread offense is. We did not run the spread in any way in 2008.

    take a look at the Texas Tech game we ran 2 wr's and two slots and 1 running back most of the game that is a spread formation.

    we ran some dbl tight and bunch sets but we never ran out of a pro set or "I" we split our te alot that year because our TE was a world beater.

    It was still a spread offense with wrinkles we never ran split backs either sometimes we ran fb over the te for a loaded look in short yardage or red zone but we were running 75% of the time out of spread sets and spread routes

    tyresooner

  • tyresooner said...

    take a look at the Texas Tech game we ran 2 wr's and two slots and 1 running back most of the game that is a spread formation.

    we ran some dbl tight and bunch sets but we never ran out of a pro set or "I" we split our te alot that year because our TE was a world beater.

    It was still a spread offense with wrinkles we never ran split backs either sometimes we ran fb over the te for a loaded look in short yardage or red zone but we were running 75% of the time out of spread sets and spread routes

    With Eldrige, Gresham, Brown, and Murray we had 3 of those 4 on the field quite a bit. We also ran about 40% of our plays from under center. We had a pair of 1,000 yard rushers and another guy who ran for about 450 (Madu). Out TE caught 66 passes. We ran a lot of PA. It was not a spread offense. That's a myth. We ran 4 wide sets sometimes, but not nearly often enough to call it a spread. Not enough shotgun, too much straight ahead running, too much PA. Too many plays with extra blockers in there (Eldrige). It was more of a hybrid than anything, but much closer to pro style than spread.

    Matteon

  • Matteon said...

    With Eldrige, Gresham, Brown, and Murray we had 3 of those 4 on the field quite a bit. We also ran about 40% of our plays from under center. We had a pair of 1,000 yard rushers and another guy who ran for about 450 (Madu). Out TE caught 66 passes. We ran a lot of PA. It was not a spread offense. That's a myth. We ran 4 wide sets sometimes, but not nearly often enough to call it a spread. Not enough shotgun, too much straight ahead running, too much PA. Too many plays with extra blockers in there (Eldrige). It was more of a hybrid than anything, but much closer to pro style than spread.

    well i can see you find it hard to admit when you are not 100% correct but to say OU doesn't run the spread because in 2008 we ran 40% of our plays under center is kind of absurd but OK the TE that caught 66 passes was in the slot alot.

    STILL OU is a spread offense team and has been since Leach was here. Is it the exact same that it was in 2000? NO!!! But it is still a spread based system and to call it anything else is just plain wrong even if it is under center and there is PA the routes ran by the RECEIVERS are spread routes.

    Josh Heuple, Nate Hybl, Jason White, Paul Thompson, Sam Bradford, Landry Jones are spread offense QB's while at OU.

    tyresooner

  • tyresooner said...

    well i can see you find it hard to admit when you are not 100% correct but to say OU doesn't run the spread because in 2008 we ran 40% of our plays under center is kind of absurd but OK the TE that caught 66 passes was in the slot alot.

    STILL OU is a spread offense team and has been since Leach was here. Is it the exact same that it was in 2000? NO!!! But it is still a spread based system and to call it anything else is just plain wrong even if it is under center and there is PA the routes ran by the RECEIVERS are spread routes.

    Josh Heuple, Nate Hybl, Jason White, Paul Thompson, Sam Bradford, Landry Jones are spread offense QB's while at OU.

    We werent a spread offense in 2006 and 2007. We played smashmouth big time. That 2006 team was one of my favorites.

    There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.

    bruthaman

  • White had such great numbers because every defense was afraid he'd turn around and hand the ball to AD. We need something that is closer to that than what we've had the last two years.

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    "I didn't create the monster. George Cross and Bud Wilkinson did. My job was to feed the monster." - Barry Switzer

    SoonerLee

  • tyresooner said...

    well i can see you find it hard to admit when you are not 100% correct but to say OU doesn't run the spread because in 2008 we ran 40% of our plays under center is kind of absurd but OK the TE that caught 66 passes was in the slot alot.

    You left out that part about the pair of 1,000 yard rushers frequent use of lead blockers and Eldridge on the field. Way to cherry pick which items from my post you wanted to address and which ones not. No team is running a spread offense when they pound the ball as much as OU did in 2008. I like how all of a sudden the receivers run spread routes. Nice slight of hand there.

    Matteon