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Penn State and the NCAA

  • It seems everyone is of the opinion this is not an NCAA issue; however, it seems to be it should be. It seems to me they have a complete lack of control worse than we have ever seen at any other program in the history of the NCAA. The President of the Univesity, Head football Coach and Athletic Director have all been fired for not reporting crimes related to the football program and athletic department facilities. I really think the NCAA should put them on serious probation. Almost all sets of rules have some very vague rules that could apply to anything if it was bad enough. I suspect there are rules in the NCAA bylaws that would allow the NCAA to put Penn State on probation and I think they should. Penn State should be severely punished for what happened. The three most powerful men on the campus have been implicated. Two Univeristy Officials have been charged with lying to a grand jury. It appears there was a cover up to protect the football program. If that is not an NCAA violation it sure should be.

    DenverSooner

  • i think they should vacate some wins, so jopa doesn't get the most wins record.

    hominidboy

  • As far as the NCAA is concerned, I think the Penn St issue would fall under ethics violations.

    KYSooner

  • Whatever happened at Penn State, and it appears to be pretty bad, has nothing at all to do with NCAA rules or the violations thereof. The NCAA has no business doing anything about this. They don't have jurisdiction over criminal matters nor should any sane college sports fan think that they should.

    This post was edited by Klein Sooner on 11/11/2011 at 6:08 PM

    Klein Sooner

  • Klein Sooner said...

    Whatever happened at Penn State, and it appears to be pretty bad, has nothing at all to do with NCAA rules or the violations thereof. The NCAA has no business doing anything about this. They don't have jurisdiction over criminal matters nor should any sane college sports fan think that they should.

    I agree they have no jurisdiction over criminal matters but they do regulate institutional control and to some degree (I think) ethics. When we put an athletic program above what is right and wrong, above the safety of children, we have really screwed up. Perhaps one aspect of the appropriate punishment is to devalue that program in some way. Taking away scholarships, bowl games or television appearances seems like a reasonable response (in part) to this situation. If we say the NCAA should do nothing it seems to me we are essentially saying it is OK that the only plausible explanation for these horrific events (protection of the football program) is fine and it is just the conduct itself that should be punished. This was really wrong and a lot of bad consequences should come from it.

    DenverSooner

  • the cover up=lack of institutional control.

    hominidboy

  • I think the NCAA has to let the criminal stuff kind of sift down, if not run a significant time on it's course. I don't know that all the federal and state agencies involved would want the NCAA snooping around, at this time. Once it appears that the facts are out in process, then the NCAA should have a better handle on what is reality.

    There are some indications that the largest salvos from all of this have not hit PSU yet, and are still to come. If true, then there may be some clear direction for NCAA, discovered by other agencies. I have often been frustrated with the pace the NCAA appears to apply their work. But, this is one time that they may be best to sit back for a few weeks.

    Even if you discount some of the numbers that Boston College has put out concerning research on this very subject, the reality is that there is a huge amount of our population that is in extreme pain right now. (the numbers BC reported are scary.) This being in the media brings back a lot of pain in that the offender does not get blamed/caught/punished. (The rioting by students and Joe Pa's arrogance about the board not needing to meet, because he had decided to quit at year end after a few more weeks of his life being normal has been devastating, in the faces of people that I have spoken with.) In my opinion, people need to be deliberate when stepping into the emotion wrapped around the PSU travesty, until a little time (weeks or maybe months, not years) has allowed these re-opened wounds to heal. It is understandable that we are outraged and want justice now. But, it is bigger than us fans right now.

    This post was edited by jimnrh on 11/11/2011 at 6:59 PM

    jimnrh

  • DenverSooner said...

    It seems everyone is of the opinion this is not an NCAA issue; however, it seems to be it should be. It seems to me they have a complete lack of control worse than we have ever seen at any other program in the history of the NCAA. The President of the Univesity, Head football Coach and Athletic Director have all been fired for not reporting crimes related to the football program and athletic department facilities. I really think the NCAA should put them on serious probation. Almost all sets of rules have some very vague rules that could apply to anything if it was bad enough. I suspect there are rules in the NCAA bylaws that would allow the NCAA to put Penn State on probation and I think they should. Penn State should be severely punished for what happened. The three most powerful men on the campus have been implicated. Two Univeristy Officials have been charged with lying to a grand jury. It appears there was a cover up to protect the football program. If that is not an NCAA violation it sure should be.

    Ok, if it was a NCAA problem what would you have them do that is not already taking place? They have fired everybody and rightfully so! Their recruiting is going to suffer for years IMO, their fans have already lost their minds so on and etc; this program is about to be rock bottom on it's own with out any punishment from the NCAA. Even though the monster is supposedly gone it will take a freaking sorcerer to get mom and dad to let their kids go there, some will but it would not be mine.

    oufisherman

  • They are not through with firing all the people they should. I work in a division of a company that is headquartered in State College. They have a loyalty and impression of how great they are that is atypical.

    jimnrh

  • Denver,

    You can't write the NCAA rules after the fact and expect them to apply. Penn State has not broken any current NCAA rules. It's none of the NCAA's business. The people responsible will ultimately face criminal sanctions as they should.

    Klein Sooner

  • NCAA's involvement with schools has to do with unfair advantages. Find where PSU achieved an unfair advantage and I'm sure the NCAA would love to get involved. Until then this is only an issue for law enforcement institutions.

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    OUinLA

  • The NCAA has already announced that it will wait until the criminal investigation runs its course and then will launch its investigation.

    Makes sense inasmuch as the criminal investigation will bring out most of the facts and at least avoid expensive and unnecessary duplication of effort by the NCAA.

    wmdky

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