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Isn't it nice that we have Stoops..No worries of misconduct EVER

  • I see all of these football programs getting in trouble. I watched Samson and Capel's regime cost us on the basketball side.

    If I'm a parent of a superstar, I want my kid to go to a place where the Head Coach has and teaches the utmost morals. Someone that has set a foundation of success both on and off the field. Someone I believe will treat my kid with dignity and will care for them like he's one of his own.

    If I can't 100% trust someone, why would I send my child to them during some of the most important years of their lives?

    I look around the country to some of the top college football programs and see the likes of Saban, Miles, Kiffin and now Paterno. I read after every signing period of another coach screwing over recruits that have given a verbal commitment later to say thanks but sorry. Then another gets a DUI and it's yesterdays news. One even gets thrown out of a casino drunk and stupid ...I mean parents why would you let your pride and joy be subjected to these less than outstanding people when you could go the greatest football University, be taught by one of the greatest coaching staffs and be given real life lessons from someone as upstanding as Bob Stoops?

    If I'm a parent I do my research like I'm a private eye before my kids goes anywhere and in my pretty well educated mind, one of the very very few places I would accept a scholarship is OU.

    I guess what I am trying to say is that we will win the right way, with the right kids and do it with a coach that never sacrifices his standards as a man and a teacher of men. While Bob has made some mistakes in the past. Those mistakes have been football mistakes not mistakes as a man and mentor. How many top coaches out there can say honestly say that?

    I for one am so proud to be associated with OU and Stoops. So, when I say in Bob I trust...It means exactly that. I bet a lot of AD's and presidents wish they could say the same thing about their head ball coach.

    This post was edited by lifesooner on 4/6/2012 at 10:55 PM

    lifesooner

  • We should be proud of Bob.

    However don't believe everything you wrote though. Our players have some faults like everybody's team. We are more tolerant if they are talented and the depth situation is poor.

    This post was edited by vbdad on 4/6/2012 at 11:50 PM

    vbdad

  • Never said the players don't have faults...We'll have our occasional arrests as players. I'm strickly talking about BOB's morals and principles. Does anyone have any doubt that Bob won't get in trouble before his tenure is over...I know I have zero doubt that Bob will stay squeeky clean...That's what my post is all about.

    lifesooner

  • vbdad said...

    We should be proud of Bob.

    However don't believe everything you wrote though. Our players have some faults like everybody's team. We are more tolerant if they are talented and the depth situation is poor.

    Give us an example of what you are talking about where we have been more tolerant on the more talented? Are you talking about Bomar and Quinn and the leniency Bob gave them? It's easy to say something like that when all you see is the event/s unfold from outside the program. We as fans don't always (almost never) get the full story or see how a player pays for his mistakes behind the sceans. But with Bob running things, I believe he is tough but fair and spreads punishment equally. At least I have not seen evidence to the contrary. Or maybe you were talking about the Switzer years? And I'll give you that.

    cesooner

  • vbdad said...

    We should be proud of Bob.

    However don't believe everything you wrote though. Our players have some faults like everybody's team. We are more tolerant if they are talented and the depth situation is poor.

    Hope it is ok if I disagree with you. Bob simply doesn't play the favorites game. The facts are that Bob has taken decisive action on about all the trouble makers. When Dusty got in trouble Bob quickly took action. When Hunter Walls got in trouble he booted him immediately. When AD missed class, Bob suspended him a game. When Bomar and Reid were discovered he didn't waiver and immediately took action to remove them from the team.

    In the past Bob has been extremely consistent in the discipline he has dished out to players who do the wrong things. When a kid gets a DUI he has consistently suspended the player for a game or two. I know of no incident over his time at OU when Bob has deviated from this practice. Just this past season he suspended Kenny Stills a game for his behavior when he and Tony were stopped this past Summer. Remember he suspended Jaz a whole season for the comments Jaz made regarding Texas etc. Ryan Broyles was a budding star as a true freshman and Stoops suspended him for the whole year when he was caught with the gas card. When the 5* WR from Alabama did the guns and ammo stuff, Stoops didn't hesitate to remove him from the program.

    Anyone who has paid attention knows his track record. When a kid does something that warrants being booted from the program, Bob doesn't weigh the kids talent level, he just boots them. When a kid does something that isn't a major program he takes care of them immediately with game suspensions or something similar. He is good to give kids a 2nd chance when the behavior warrants it just like he did with Granger and the DT who transferred in from Tennessee following some drug charges.

    I would be interested in your list of those highly talented kids who got in a ton of trouble where Bob gave a blind eye to their nasty deeds. Come on and give us that long list of names, please.

    I know you won't and the reason you won't is that it doesn't exist.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by roygbell on 4/7/2012 at 8:41 AM

    roygbell

  • vbdad said...

    We should be proud of Bob.

    However don't believe everything you wrote though. Our players have some faults like everybody's team. We are more tolerant if they are talented and the depth situation is poor.

    There's another poster on here that keeps suggesting the same type of thing. That favorites are played and wrong doing ignored if the player is good. However, no examples are ever supplied.

    Victaman

  • lifesooner said...

    I see all of these football programs getting in trouble. I watched Samson and Capel's regime cost us on the basketball side.

    If I'm a parent of a superstar, I want my kid to go to a place where the Head Coach has and teaches the utmost morals. Someone that has set a foundation of success both on and off the field. Someone I believe will treat my kid with dignity and will care for them like he's one of his own.

    If I can't 100% trust someone, why would I send my child to them during some of the most important years of their lives?

    I look around the country to some of the top college football programs and see the likes of Saban, Miles, Kiffin and now Paterno. I read after every signing period of another coach screwing over recruits that have given a verbal commitment later to say thanks but sorry. Then another gets a DUI and it's yesterdays news. One even gets thrown out of a casino drunk and stupid ...I mean parents why would you let your pride and joy be subjected to these less than outstanding people when you could go the greatest football University, be taught by one of the greatest coaching staffs and be given real life lessons from someone as upstanding as Bob Stoops?

    If I'm a parent I do my research like I'm a private eye before my kids goes anywhere and in my pretty well educated mind, one of the very very few places I would accept a scholarship is OU.

    I guess what I am trying to say is that we will win the right way, with the right kids and do it with a coach that never sacrifices his standards as a man and a teacher of men. While Bob has made some mistakes in the past. Those mistakes have been football mistakes not mistakes as a man and mentor. How many top coaches out there can say honestly say that?

    I for one am so proud to be associated with OU and Stoops. So, when I say in Bob I trust...It means exactly that. I bet a lot of AD's and presidents wish they could say the same thing about their head ball coach.

    Oh, on my beat down above, I forgot to add that I completely agree with the above post.

    Bob has some faults. I get aggrivated with him sometimes with some small issues like his intolerance with the media. But, I understand as I have been there and done that many times. I despize the media, so I don't hold that against Bob.

    But, lifesooner is right on target. Bob is a high character guy who simply does things the right way. If my son were being recruited I would sure discuss with him the advantages of signing with a school where you knew the head man was of the character like that of Bob Stoops.

    I think many of these young football players need someone to guide them in life lessons as well as in football. I simply love the things OU is doing things these days. We have a great academic support system in place for them. And, we have some great coaches like Bob and Sherri and Gasso who try to do the right things from a character standpoint.

    We are indeed fortunate in that regard.

    This post was edited by roygbell on 4/7/2012 at 8:54 AM

    roygbell

  • Bob is a straight shooter and a great coach, who does a fine job recruiting. What irks me about the Sabans, Miles, Kiffens and other coaches of their ilk is that they play fast and loose with the regulations and many of their players know it --- yet they still get away with it and along with Uterus (with their slick used car salesman head coach) they continue to sign more of the top "National"recruits in the country every year. Take a look at this year's top NFL prospects and where the most recent BCS Champions have come from if you doubt that for one minute. The media (particularly ESPN, but also the NFL network), just keep playing up the superiority of SEC and USC players) which has to be an invaluable recruiting tool.

    This post was edited by SFValleySooner on 4/7/2012 at 3:28 PM

    SFValleySooner

  • SFValleySooner said...

    Bob is a straight shooter and a great coach, who does a fine job recruiting. What irks me about the Sabans, Miles, Kiffens and other coaches of their ilk is that they play fast and loose with the regulations and many of their players know it --- yet they still get away with it and along with Uterus (with their slick used car salesman head coach) they continue to sign more of the top "National"recruits in the country every year. Take a look at this year's top NFL prospects and where the most recent BCS Champions have come from if you doubt that for one minute. The media (particularly ESPN, but also the NFL network), just keep playing up the superiority of SEC and USC players) which has to be an invaluable recruiting tool.

    bottom line....how many people pay attention to the brash...out spoken...shoot from the hip personalities? We (society) seem to gravitate toward the ridiculous and ignore the steady (boring as sometimes described) in an endless desire to be entertained. We (society) have seemingly condoned this type of behavior for a long time. It's the lead story...the headline...the breaking news personalities you have just described. But the good thing is...Bob doesn't care about being the lead story...unless it says...OU National Champions!

    Oh and James...keep on truckin brother...facts are worth reporting...even if they are ...steady.....

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by wilsonIII on 4/8/2012 at 11:29 PM

    wilsonIII

  • I agree Bob is very strong morally and has great charachter.

    I won't give examples of current guys doing stuff that doesn't represent themselves or the program well. For the most part we have very good kids in the program. It is easy to figure out who is on the list for doing things wrong with the unexplained suspensions or not playing in a game when they weren't injured. I don't think it is different than any other school in our defense.

    My favorite double standard was when Moe Dampeer was suspended for lack of effort etc. and then we have two injuries so he plays a bunch in Kansas or KSTate. The guys are healthy the next week and he is resuspended. He deserved to be suspended and kicked off the team but it was funny how he played when there was nobody else.

    vbdad

  • I agree and felt the same way for a long time, I.e. Coach Stoops practices and has lived a high moral life for many years. It is part of his basic character. If my son was going to leave home to play D-1 football the quality of the OU coaching staff is one of many important reasons why I would highlight the positive aspects of OU over other programs.

    Only1Oklahoma

  • Here's a damning article on Urban Meyer @ Florida. Former players rat him out. We may have lost to UF/Meyer in the title game, but we're winners with Stoops regardless.

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-04-09/urban-meyer-florida-ohio-state-ncaa-violation-recruiting-drugs-program-will-musc

    kwest2

  • We have not won it all since 2000 but I am ok with that as long as coach Stoops is here and have us at least competing for the prize. Last years 10-3 season was easier for me to swallow knowing that it is not to be followed up by immoral doings and NCAA investigations.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by oufisherman on 4/9/2012 at 3:29 PM

    oufisherman

  • We are especially blessed after this latest debacle: Harley-gate starring "Coach" Petrino and Name-that-Bimbo (blond variety.)

    hooknladder

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    Semper4OU

  • oufisherman said...

    We have not won it all since 2000 but I am ok with that as long as coach Stoops is here and have us at least competing for the prize. Last years 10-3 season was easier for me to swallow knowing that it is not to be followed up by immoral doings and NCAA investigations.

    Don't forget we have had a NCAA probation in the last ten years. We will and have never behaved like the southeast conference schools.

    vbdad

  • vbdad said...

    Don't forget we have had a NCAA probation in the last ten years. We will and have never behaved like the southeast conference schools.

    Right. Has everyone but you forgotten the two years probation for failing to keep proper track of some players work hours and wages-Bomar, et al? That stuff happened over a significant period of time and is just the sort of stuff Stoops and the dept. must keep track of. As coaches go, BS is an ethical guy but he aint without sin. So there's really no reason to have this topic. Hero-worship neurosis nothwithstanding.

    withoutadoubt

  • withoutadoubt said...

    Right. Has everyone but you forgotten the two years probation for failing to keep proper track of some players work hours and wages-Bomar, et al? That stuff happened over a significant period of time and is just the sort of stuff Stoops and the dept. must keep track of. As coaches go, BS is an ethical guy but he aint without sin. So there's really no reason to have this topic. Hero-worship neurosis nothwithstanding.

    I know that Ohio State had a number of players that got in basically the same trouble as Bomar a year or two earlier and got suspended for a couple games. One went on to win the Heisman. Many kids get caught taking benefits. Coaches can't prevent this from happening. It's what coaches do when they find out about these kids. Bomar was the starting QB and how many games did Bob suspend Bomar for?

    Any other program (coach) would have suspended Bomar a few games. If he played for an SEC team it may have been bleachers. Remember this was Bomars first public mishap.

    lifesooner

  • withoutadoubt said...

    Right. Has everyone but you forgotten the two years probation for failing to keep proper track of some players work hours and wages-Bomar, et al? That stuff happened over a significant period of time and is just the sort of stuff Stoops and the dept. must keep track of. As coaches go, BS is an ethical guy but he aint without sin. So there's really no reason to have this topic. Hero-worship neurosis nothwithstanding.

    We try to teach our kids right from wrong but sometimes still test the waters and these guys are young adults. You cannot convince me that the coaches do not teach them what is viewed as violations by the NCAA and the way coach Stoops dealt with the Bomar and others situation tells you he knew nothing of it or he would had been implicated by the players that were dealt with so harshly and no way in hell they can keep up with the daily 24/7 activities of a 100+ student athletes. It is near impossible and chances are these things will happen from time to time so kudos to coach for the way he handled it! No hero worship here, I just respect the man for handling the situation the way he did, no excuses no cover up!

    oufisherman

  • roygbell said...

    Hope it is ok if I disagree with you. Bob simply doesn't play the favorites game. The facts are that Bob has taken decisive action on about all the trouble makers. When Dusty got in trouble Bob quickly took action. When Hunter Walls got in trouble he booted him immediately. When AD missed class, Bob suspended him a game. When Bomar and Reid were discovered he didn't waiver and immediately took action to remove them from the team.

    In the past Bob has been extremely consistent in the discipline he has dished out to players who do the wrong things. When a kid gets a DUI he has consistently suspended the player for a game or two. I know of no incident over his time at OU when Bob has deviated from this practice. Just this past season he suspended Kenny Stills a game for his behavior when he and Tony were stopped this past Summer. Remember he suspended Jaz a whole season for the comments Jaz made regarding Texas etc. Ryan Broyles was a budding star as a true freshman and Stoops suspended him for the whole year when he was caught with the gas card. When the 5* WR from Alabama did the guns and ammo stuff, Stoops didn't hesitate to remove him from the program.

    Anyone who has paid attention knows his track record. When a kid does something that warrants being booted from the program, Bob doesn't weigh the kids talent level, he just boots them. When a kid does something that isn't a major program he takes care of them immediately with game suspensions or something similar. He is good to give kids a 2nd chance when the behavior warrants it just like he did with Granger and the DT who transferred in from Tennessee following some drug charges.

    I would be interested in your list of those highly talented kids who got in a ton of trouble where Bob gave a blind eye to their nasty deeds. Come on and give us that long list of names, please.

    I know you won't and the reason you won't is that it doesn't exist.

    I disagree with you.

    Not a whole bunch of talent that you have listed except for Bomar. The other guys he didn't have a choice.

    AD had missed too many classes and was required to be suspended by the athletic department rules.
    Dusty very talented but nearly killed somebody. I'm very glad he was given a second chance because all accounts he was a great guy.
    Hunter Wall-how much dope can one guy smoke and he wasn't ever going to play.
    Bomar- he was an idiot and Bob had had enough of him. Good for him in getting rid of a talented player who did cost a probation.
    Ryan Broyles was still young and was going to help the team but he wasn't going to be a huge factor that year.
    Jarboe-another dope head and he couldn't even make it at uAB.
    Jaz- i'll give you that one but it was a pretty stupid post by him

    By the way I am proud of the way Stoops handles our program but he we do have players who aren't perfect. Some stay and some are sent packing including last December.

    vbdad

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