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OUinLA said...

I live and breath it. God, family, friends, and OU, in that order. I rarely think we are NC caliber but I always know we have the talent and I am always optimistic that we will own college football.

We are not spoiled as fans. Yes, I survived the 90's. You people that bring up how bad we use to be need to realize that we aren't KSU or some other team that doesn't know squat about a dynasty. We're freaking OU!!!! As Switzer said "We invented championships". Those of you that are content with being better now than we were in the 90's can go cheer for OSU. Sooner fans know that this is not good enough. Not even close. This state and even cfb deserve an OU team that will scare the crap out of the competition, play with heart and fire, and wear that Sooner jersey with pride.

There is no reason why we shouldn't be able to do what Bama is doing. This comes down to coaching. Our coach is not the same coach that was hired in 99. His fire is long gone. Remember how he use to actually coach? Remember how he use to get excited? Remember how we all use to know he'd fix the problem? Where is that coach. I don't want Stoops fired. I want him back on our sidelines. I want the Stoops that knows what it takes to win. I want Sooner football.

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Plainosooner said...

Your view is common, but full of errors.

The game is played by players. Coaches can get them to the places where they have the opportunity to excel. And I believe this staff does that, but you have a view that makes assumptions that are just flat wrong.

OU does get to recruit up close to the top of the pecking order. But OUr staff has the only annually top ten program in the country, whose state high school talent across the board is not at the top of the talent pool annually. Oklahoma as a high school football producing state is somewhere between ten and fifteen depending on the year with occasional exceptions.

That state of Alabama has produced more five star talent kids in the last two years, than Oklahoma has in the last five or longer.

Traditionally, some of the instate talent has allegiance to OSU because of family ties. That dilutes it further. Switzer's time is not now. Barry was outrecruiting recently racists programs in Texas for talent in a dynamic that no longer exists and the history doesn't matter.

But a more important dynamic is in place. Kansas State is a quality football program. Baylor is a quality football program. OSU is a quality football program. You refuse to accept their performance because of what Baylor was ten years ago, or KState was in the 70's or 80s or what OSU has been before TBone began spending unbelievable sums of money to make their facilities attractive enough to recruit well.

But more important is the view that I commonly read thinking that OUr third team guy OUGHT to be better than their first team guy. Or more specifically, if we lose a guy like Ryan Broyles in week 10, then his freshman backup OUGHT to jump in and be better than some 21 year old three year starter at some other place.

It is not 1972 any more and it will never be again, when we had third team running backs who both had long term NFL careers. And btw, they did the bulk of their college running after they transferred from OU.

You said we should aspire to be Alabama. OUr program is better than Alabama. This year, Bama is better. But a program is measure by more than this year. In the last decade, OU is clearly better.

You want to compare OU to Bama and LSU this year. But you want to compare us to Texas and USC in 2005.

Or to Florida when Tebow was their quarterback.

OU has competed at a national level in every season in the last 11 when they didn't have devastating injuries. We had them this year, we had them in 2009 and 2005. To a lesser extent, we had them in 2001.

And year, I get that other schools have injured players too.

OU played in the NC game in 2008 after a great group of recruits from in the state grew up a little bit and were seasoned enough to be ready to compete for a national title. But to win an NC, you have to not only be really really good. You have to have some good luck.

Playing Florida in the NC game in Florida is not good fortune. Playing them without Demarco Murray and missing both your first and second team middle linebacker is a killer.

But you and your kinsmen have one solution for every OU problem: replace coaches. For you, it doesn't matter than they've compiled the best record in this century. And you as a group have selective memories. There are still those who think that Mike Leach was the OC for the national champion.

or that Mike Stoops never coached a bad defensive game.

And you have this view that if Sam Bradford, the reigning Heisman winner gets hurt in the first game of a season, that his freshman backup should come in and immediately play with no performance drop off. That is as dumb an assumption that when we lost Broyles or Whaley, that OUr backups should step in with no discernable performance difference.

And if you were a Bama fan, you'd still be bitchin' about the incompetence of your quarterback in overtime against LSU, and wondering why the coaches didn't call something different so that Richardson would have run for three touchdowns. Or that there wasn't a back up left tackle good enough that the Tide wouldn't have had to put a guy out there against a great rusher, essentially playing on one leg.

OU has had four team ever who were undefeated national champions. Switzer had one. Bud had two, with the same talent group in 1955 and 56 and a very weak schedule. And Bob in 2000.

The other OU NC teams had a loss, which meant that they were really lucky to win it.The other teams were just lucky.

Stoops has won more conference titles per season than Barry did. Barry did it in a time when he had two teams on the schedule who could really compete with him, and only one in the conference. Mizzou competed when they had one great class. OSU and Colorado had their moments.

But after the Selmons graduated, and a class recruited when Chuck Fairbanks was head coach, and Jerry Pettibone was coordinating recruiting, Barry won one. His teams competed poorly against teams with good passing games. Stanford and West Virginia came to Norman and dominated OU. He never beat USC. He never beat Miami. With his best talent of the era, besides the Selmon - Washington group, he got very lucky on an onsides kick at Columbus, and got beat soundly in the rematch in Norman.

What you're saying Stoops doesn't do, Barry really didn't either. Bud had a great record in a time when the conference in which we competed was mediocre at best.

You can have your expectations. And you and your chums can gang up and complain. But let's not have you deciding how Bob should run his program or improve it.If anybody can fix it, and he's willing to put up with your nonsense, then he can and will.

But your problem is your expectations. And your total lack of acquaintance with the real world.

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Plainosooner said...

Your view is common, but full of errors.

The game is played by players. Coaches can get them to the places where they have the opportunity to excel. And I believe this staff does that, but you have a view that makes assumptions that are just flat wrong.

OU does get to recruit up close to the top of the pecking order. But OUr staff has the only annually top ten program in the country, whose state high school talent across the board is not at the top of the talent pool annually. Oklahoma as a high school football producing state is somewhere between ten and fifteen depending on the year with occasional exceptions.

That state of Alabama has produced more five star talent kids in the last two years, than Oklahoma has in the last five or longer.

Traditionally, some of the instate talent has allegiance to OSU because of family ties. That dilutes it further. Switzer's time is not now. Barry was outrecruiting recently racists programs in Texas for talent in a dynamic that no longer exists and the history doesn't matter.

But a more important dynamic is in place. Kansas State is a quality football program. Baylor is a quality football program. OSU is a quality football program. You refuse to accept their performance because of what Baylor was ten years ago, or KState was in the 70's or 80s or what OSU has been before TBone began spending unbelievable sums of money to make their facilities attractive enough to recruit well.

But more important is the view that I commonly read thinking that OUr third team guy OUGHT to be better than their first team guy. Or more specifically, if we lose a guy like Ryan Broyles in week 10, then his freshman backup OUGHT to jump in and be better than some 21 year old three year starter at some other place.

It is not 1972 any more and it will never be again, when we had third team running backs who both had long term NFL careers. And btw, they did the bulk of their college running after they transferred from OU.

You said we should aspire to be Alabama. OUr program is better than Alabama. This year, Bama is better. But a program is measure by more than this year. In the last decade, OU is clearly better.

You want to compare OU to Bama and LSU this year. But you want to compare us to Texas and USC in 2005.

Or to Florida when Tebow was their quarterback.

OU has competed at a national level in every season in the last 11 when they didn't have devastating injuries. We had them this year, we had them in 2009 and 2005. To a lesser extent, we had them in 2001.

And year, I get that other schools have injured players too.

OU played in the NC game in 2008 after a great group of recruits from in the state grew up a little bit and were seasoned enough to be ready to compete for a national title. But to win an NC, you have to not only be really really good. You have to have some good luck.

Playing Florida in the NC game in Florida is not good fortune. Playing them without Demarco Murray and missing both your first and second team middle linebacker is a killer.

But you and your kinsmen have one solution for every OU problem: replace coaches. For you, it doesn't matter than they've compiled the best record in this century. And you as a group have selective memories. There are still those who think that Mike Leach was the OC for the national champion.

or that Mike Stoops never coached a bad defensive game.

And you have this view that if Sam Bradford, the reigning Heisman winner gets hurt in the first game of a season, that his freshman backup should come in and immediately play with no performance drop off. That is as dumb an assumption that when we lost Broyles or Whaley, that OUr backups should step in with no discernable performance difference.

And if you were a Bama fan, you'd still be bitchin' about the incompetence of your quarterback in overtime against LSU, and wondering why the coaches didn't call something different so that Richardson would have run for three touchdowns. Or that there wasn't a back up left tackle good enough that the Tide wouldn't have had to put a guy out there against a great rusher, essentially playing on one leg.

OU has had four team ever who were undefeated national champions. Switzer had one. Bud had two, with the same talent group in 1955 and 56 and a very weak schedule. And Bob in 2000.

The other OU NC teams had a loss, which meant that they were really lucky to win it.The other teams were just lucky.

Stoops has won more conference titles per season than Barry did. Barry did it in a time when he had two teams on the schedule who could really compete with him, and only one in the conference. Mizzou competed when they had one great class. OSU and Colorado had their moments.

But after the Selmons graduated, and a class recruited when Chuck Fairbanks was head coach, and Jerry Pettibone was coordinating recruiting, Barry won one. His teams competed poorly against teams with good passing games. Stanford and West Virginia came to Norman and dominated OU. He never beat USC. He never beat Miami. With his best talent of the era, besides the Selmon - Washington group, he got very lucky on an onsides kick at Columbus, and got beat soundly in the rematch in Norman.

What you're saying Stoops doesn't do, Barry really didn't either. Bud had a great record in a time when the conference in which we competed was mediocre at best.

You can have your expectations. And you and your chums can gang up and complain. But let's not have you deciding how Bob should run his program or improve it.If anybody can fix it, and he's willing to put up with your nonsense, then he can and will.

But your problem is your expectations. And your total lack of acquaintance with the real world.

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Plainosooner said...

Your view is common, but full of errors.

The game is played by players. Coaches can get them to the places where they have the opportunity to excel. And I believe this staff does that, but you have a view that makes assumptions that are just flat wrong.

OU does get to recruit up close to the top of the pecking order. But OUr staff has the only annually top ten program in the country, whose state high school talent across the board is not at the top of the talent pool annually. Oklahoma as a high school football producing state is somewhere between ten and fifteen depending on the year with occasional exceptions.

That state of Alabama has produced more five star talent kids in the last two years, than Oklahoma has in the last five or longer.

Traditionally, some of the instate talent has allegiance to OSU because of family ties. That dilutes it further. Switzer's time is not now. Barry was outrecruiting recently racists programs in Texas for talent in a dynamic that no longer exists and the history doesn't matter.

But a more important dynamic is in place. Kansas State is a quality football program. Baylor is a quality football program. OSU is a quality football program. You refuse to accept their performance because of what Baylor was ten years ago, or KState was in the 70's or 80s or what OSU has been before TBone began spending unbelievable sums of money to make their facilities attractive enough to recruit well.

But more important is the view that I commonly read thinking that OUr third team guy OUGHT to be better than their first team guy. Or more specifically, if we lose a guy like Ryan Broyles in week 10, then his freshman backup OUGHT to jump in and be better than some 21 year old three year starter at some other place.

It is not 1972 any more and it will never be again, when we had third team running backs who both had long term NFL careers. And btw, they did the bulk of their college running after they transferred from OU.

You said we should aspire to be Alabama. OUr program is better than Alabama. This year, Bama is better. But a program is measure by more than this year. In the last decade, OU is clearly better.

You want to compare OU to Bama and LSU this year. But you want to compare us to Texas and USC in 2005.

Or to Florida when Tebow was their quarterback.

OU has competed at a national level in every season in the last 11 when they didn't have devastating injuries. We had them this year, we had them in 2009 and 2005. To a lesser extent, we had them in 2001.

And year, I get that other schools have injured players too.

OU played in the NC game in 2008 after a great group of recruits from in the state grew up a little bit and were seasoned enough to be ready to compete for a national title. But to win an NC, you have to not only be really really good. You have to have some good luck.

Playing Florida in the NC game in Florida is not good fortune. Playing them without Demarco Murray and missing both your first and second team middle linebacker is a killer.

But you and your kinsmen have one solution for every OU problem: replace coaches. For you, it doesn't matter than they've compiled the best record in this century. And you as a group have selective memories. There are still those who think that Mike Leach was the OC for the national champion.

or that Mike Stoops never coached a bad defensive game.

And you have this view that if Sam Bradford, the reigning Heisman winner gets hurt in the first game of a season, that his freshman backup should come in and immediately play with no performance drop off. That is as dumb an assumption that when we lost Broyles or Whaley, that OUr backups should step in with no discernable performance difference.

And if you were a Bama fan, you'd still be bitchin' about the incompetence of your quarterback in overtime against LSU, and wondering why the coaches didn't call something different so that Richardson would have run for three touchdowns. Or that there wasn't a back up left tackle good enough that the Tide wouldn't have had to put a guy out there against a great rusher, essentially playing on one leg.

OU has had four team ever who were undefeated national champions. Switzer had one. Bud had two, with the same talent group in 1955 and 56 and a very weak schedule. And Bob in 2000.

The other OU NC teams had a loss, which meant that they were really lucky to win it.The other teams were just lucky.

Stoops has won more conference titles per season than Barry did. Barry did it in a time when he had two teams on the schedule who could really compete with him, and only one in the conference. Mizzou competed when they had one great class. OSU and Colorado had their moments.

But after the Selmons graduated, and a class recruited when Chuck Fairbanks was head coach, and Jerry Pettibone was coordinating recruiting, Barry won one. His teams competed poorly against teams with good passing games. Stanford and West Virginia came to Norman and dominated OU. He never beat USC. He never beat Miami. With his best talent of the era, besides the Selmon - Washington group, he got very lucky on an onsides kick at Columbus, and got beat soundly in the rematch in Norman.

What you're saying Stoops doesn't do, Barry really didn't either. Bud had a great record in a time when the conference in which we competed was mediocre at best.

You can have your expectations. And you and your chums can gang up and complain. But let's not have you deciding how Bob should run his program or improve it.If anybody can fix it, and he's willing to put up with your nonsense, then he can and will.

But your problem is your expectations. And your total lack of acquaintance with the real world.