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FSU to Big XII inevitable....(ACC Article)

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    FSU to the Big 12 – “It is Inevitable”
    May 20, 2012 | 1:35 PM Comments: 0
    By Ingram Smith

    Fisher's FSU team will serve as the catalyst for this year's conference expansion.

    According to two people with the strongest ties possible to Florida State's Athletic Department, FSU fully plans on exiting the Atlantic Coast Conference.

    Florida State will begin its transition to the Big 12 Conference beginning this June. One source went as far as to say, "at this point the move is inevitable."

    Important dates to watch will be: May 30th, the Big 12 will have its conference meetings. June 15th, the new commissioner of the Big 12 when Bob Bowlsby will take office and August 15th, the deadline for any institution to withdraw from the ACC.

    Florida State leaving the ACC this summer will culminate a process that began with initial talks with an intermediary representing the Big 12 last November. Florida State did not officially reach out to the Big 12 until a week before the ACC's most recent deal with ESPN was announced. Florida State has long been frustrated with the leadership of its current conference and in the Big 12 believes it has found a partner that is more focused, and in touch with the current economic climate of collegiate athletics.

    Florida State will receive substantial financial help from the Big 12 in their exit fee from the ACC. Look for FSU to receive a similar deal that WVU received last year from the Big 12. FSU will be given anywhere from 10 - 14 million dollars towards the 20 million dollar exit fee.

    Much of this money will come from the exit fees the Big 12 received from Texas A&M and Missouri's departure. It is very likely that FSU will additionally then be loaned somewhere in the area of 3 - 5 million dollars from the Big 12.  FSU's AD department will be responsible for the remainder of the costs associated with the departure from the ACC.  FSU has boosters that have already pledged the money towards the remaining fees that are not covered by the Big 12.
    Florida State will enter the Big 12 as a full member in their first year.

    The Future of The ACC

    ACC Commissioner John Swofford Looks As Though He Has Been Outflanked By His Peers
    Clemson will almost certainly pair with Florida State as team 11 and 12 for the Big 12.

    Clemson has had talks with the Big 12 over a similar amount of time and when compared to FSU, Clemson and its leadership have done a much better job in navigating the challenges that are associated with a move as monumental as leaving a conference of which you are a charter member.

    Georgia Tech is also talking with the Big 12. I stress that Georgia Tech is only having conversations. They are by no means in the same place that Clemson and FSU are regarding exiting the ACC. But the fact that Georgia Tech is even engaging in conversations is significant as they were unwilling to entertain any idea as recently as three weeks ago.

    The fact that Georgia Tech is talking with the Big 12 gives you a pretty good idea as to the future of the ACC. The conference has been out flanked by its peers and will have likely have its work cut out to ensure its survival. It is very likely that you see the SEC make a play for two ACC institutions. One is likely to be Virginia Tech, the other has long been rumored to be North Carolina State. The Big 10 has always had an eye on expanding into new markets and the ACC possesses institutions in Duke, UNC, Maryland, and UVA that would pair well with their current culture.

    John Swofford took over as commissioner of the ACC in 1997. At that time, the ACC had the richest media rights deal in college athletics and the crown jewel of the college sports world in many peoples opinion was the ACC Basketball tournament. 15 years later Swofford faces the fight of his life to keep his league relevant in a rapidly changing world of college athletics.

    Copyright © 2012 Chuck Oliver.Net

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Alan H on 5/21/2012 at 4:04 PM

    Rackee

  • I'd love to see it. The SEC and Big 12 would be even more dominant than we have been! That would be one heckuva Conference!

    hooknladder

  • hooknladder said...

    I'd love to see it. The SEC and Big 12 would be even more dominant than we have been! That would be one heckuva Conference!

    The B12 would do very well to get VATch. That will make the conference even stronger. FSU and Clemson are great additions, but if we are looking at 14, we need to get VATch if ND isnt going to be in the equation. Id also like us to go west with one team. Boise perhaps, maybe even BYU.

    There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.

    bruthaman

  • I would sure like to see the Big XII get VA Tech, instead of the SEC. VA Tech alumns are the dominate group in Northern VA and a much more passionate fan base in the DC area than the Maryland fans.

    NCJIM

  • Geez I'm not to thrilled to have Florida state and Clemson or virginia tech in the conference. The sooners will already have their hands full with the current league members. Winning a national title will be way more difficult if the conference is too loaded. If the sooners play too many hard games in a season the greater the chance to not win all their games. It will be like pro football where a two loss season is celebrated.

    tatertot

  • Rackee said...

    I copied the article. Couldn't paste the link.

    http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/fsu-to-the-big-12-it-is-inevitable/

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  • NCJIM said...

    I would sure like to see the Big XII get VA Tech, instead of the SEC. VA Tech alumns are the dominate group in Northern VA and a much more passionate fan base in the DC area than the Maryland fans.

    I love the thought of it. With Clemson and FSU, the Big 12 would be as much of a draw as the SEC. We add the Carolinas, parts of Georgia and northern Florida to our viewer and recruiting base. I agree that adding VTech and GTech later on would really make the Big 12 a "super" conference. I want OU to continue to be a dominant team in CFB but not in a weak conference. The addition of teams that are traditionally powers also lessens the ability of Uterus to push the other members of the conference around. I welcome it, we'd be playing a tough and attractive schedule every year.

    SFValleySooner

  • A strong conference provides a good draw for tv execs. But it also allows a one loss (or even two loss) team to still be in striking distance. Didn't LSU make it to the champ game a few years back with two losses?

    Rackee

  • Dont fear the competition. This will make us stronger, more talented and a better team. We're still one of the better known national teams, one of the Top Five anyway.
    The best recruits will want to play in one of the top two conferences with more national TV appearances and at a school that better prepares them for the pros.
    Strength of Schedule has to be an important criteria for choosing the top four teams.

    Are we going to end up with 4 conferences of 16 teams each? Four Conference Championship Games. Then a semifinal game and a Championship Game!
    Whadda ya think?

    This post was edited by billk on 5/20/2012 at 10:40 PM

    billk

  • tatertot said...

    Geez I'm not to thrilled to have Florida state and Clemson or virginia tech in the conference. The sooners will already have their hands full with the current league members. Winning a national title will be way more difficult if the conference is too loaded. If the sooners play too many hard games in a season the greater the chance to not win all their games. It will be like pro football where a two loss season is celebrated.

    We won't have to here how dominate the SEC is anymore though.That's a good thing.

    frizz

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    NCJIM

  • Talking about a tough schedule, how about playing TCU, WV, FSU, CLE, TX in the same year. That is not to mention the remaining schools might get hot all of the sudden. KSU will be solid while Bill Snyder is still there. ISU looks decent but not there yet. So the only possible door mats are the tricky TTU and the rebuilding KU. Baylor will continue to throw the balls and play no defense so it could be just another version of TTU. OSU only comes around every four years so we should be ok for a while.

    kev26

  • frizz said...

    We won't have to here how dominate the SEC is anymore though.That's a good thing.

    Dont get too excited.. how many championships have Clemson and FSU won in the last 10 years??
    Clemson 79-50 (8-5 avg) with a 3-6 bowl record, 1 conference championship
    FSU 85-46 (little better than 8-5 avg) with a 6-4 bowl record, 3 conference championships (none since ACC expansion)

    Some Perspective:

    Missouri 81-47 (8-5 avg) with a 4-4 bowl record, no conf championships
    A&M 64-55 (6-5 avg) with a 1-6 bowl record, no conf championships

    FSU has performed on par with Missouri over the last 10 years, and though I agree they have far more potential going forward, but they have taken a step down. That being said, I'd love to have them, though I'd rather get VaTech than Clemson

    The bottom line is that this move will not put the Big 12 up there with the SEC, until we start beating THEM for national titles we will hear about SEC dominance.

    MDS00NER

  • MDS00NER said...

    Dont get too excited.. how many championships have Clemson and FSU won in the last 10 years?? Clemson 79-50 (8-5 avg) with a 3-6 bowl record, 1 conference championship FSU 85-46 (little better than 8-5 avg) with a 6-4 bowl record, 3 conference championships (none since ACC expansion)

    Some Perspective:

    Missouri 81-47 (8-5 avg) with a 4-4 bowl record, no conf championships A&M 64-55 (6-5 avg) with a 1-6 bowl record, no conf championships

    FSU has performed on par with Missouri over the last 10 years, and though I agree they have far more potential going forward, but they have taken a step down. That being said, I'd love to have them, though I'd rather get VaTech than Clemson

    The bottom line is that this move will not put the Big 12 up there with the SEC, until we start beating THEM for national titles we will hear about SEC dominance.

    Agreed, but think the point is the Big 12's TV markets and name value increase greatly. FSU for A&M is a great trade from that angle, and Clemson for Mizzou is even money.

    The point is the Big 12 would have a brand more comparable to the SEC...but as you say...we have to beat them as good.

    Sooner5020

  • Love it! Makes our conference a power again as far as numbers go 10 teams in the long run would hurt OU and anyone that wins the conference. If your scared of more hard games than your scared of being great.

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    SoonerManChild

  • What a difference a year or so makes!! It wasn't that long ago when people were saying that the Big 12 was on the ropes and in significant danger of falling apart. Now it appears to be stronger than it has been in a long, long time, and may get even stronger when the addition of a couple of more teams. And now its the east coast leagues which seem to be on the chopping block. I just wonder what the college football scene will look like a year from now and what more changes we will see in that time period!!!!

    SoonerinTopeka

  • SoonerinTopeka said...

    What a difference a year or so makes!! It wasn't that long ago when people were saying that the Big 12 was on the ropes and in significant danger of falling apart. Now it appears to be stronger than it has been in a long, long time, and may get even stronger when the addition of a couple of more teams. And now its the east coast leagues which seem to be on the chopping block. I just wonder what the college football scene will look like a year from now and what more changes we will see in that time period!!!!

    Agree, the winds have certainly changed for the better re the Big XII. However, the Big XII must strike while the iron is hot and not waste this opportunity to secure the future. I hope the new Big XII leadership is making something happen to get more teams in place.

    Also, I agree with Matteon, I believe we need a regional set-up either East/West divisions or a pod set-up to mitigate the travel issue. I suppose it depends on which teams are added as to which set-up makes the most sense.

    AdamsHall

  • What a difference a year makes.

    allgonzo