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ESPN's take on #5 OU, it is actually correct (IMO)

  • http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7984530&categoryid=2378529

    Hope it all pans OUt

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    This post was edited by Alan H on 6/3/2012 at 9:51 AM

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    decasooner

  • Agree with the critique but disagree with degree of improvement needed. I don't believe LJ is that far off from being a top shelf QB. McShay portrays him as in need of significant improvement.

    NorthCalSooner

  • Uh, yes he does mentally. He's as fragile as Chris sims.

    sooner1

  • NorthCalSooner said...

    Agree with the critique but disagree with degree of improvement needed. I don't believe LJ is that far off from being a top shelf QB. McShay portrays him as in need of significant improvement.

    I thought the same thing when I saw McShay on CFL today. In 2011, LJ threw for 4463 yds, 29 TDs and had a 63.2% completion rate. I agree that LJ can improve over what he did last year, but QBs that need significant improvement don't put up those kind of stats.

    bearcreekfan

  • bearcreekfan said...

    I thought the same thing when I saw McShay on CFL today. In 2011, LJ threw for 4463 yds, 29 TDs and had a 63.2% completion rate. I agree that LJ can improve over what he did last year, but QBs that need significant improvement don't put up those kind of stats.

    Look at his stats after Broyles went down. Not all his fault I know. The connection he had with Ryan was special. What's encouraging though is that he seems determined to improve. That's leadership by example. Hopefully it will rub off on the others.

    Cover 2

  • sooner1 said...

    Uh, yes he does mentally. He's as fragile as Chris sims.

    thumbsup

    On this board you must agree with everyone or you're wrong.

    BYLRK

  • Jones will be fine if we can give him a little better running game. One thing I want him to do is look at the whole field. There were times last year that the second and third options were wide open and he was locked on to the first and never saw them. Our road to the MNC is going to depend on how physical we can be. We need to become a much more physical team than we have been.

    There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.

    bruthaman

  • sooner1 said...

    Uh, yes he does mentally. He's as fragile as Chris sims.

    Uh, 12,379 yards passing, likely #2 all-time in NCAA history and most as a BCS QB. He is also projected universally as a first-rounder. "He must play at a much higher level" is the quote. That is an overstatement.

    He needs to improve in areas but unless you expect Tom Brady, he is almost there and he is doing the work required. Comparing him to Chris Sims is a very aggie-like comment.

    NorthCalSooner

  • To me, it just looks like espn is desperately looking for something to talk about. LJ has some things to work on, for sure, but part of the lack of production at the end of the year as far as TDs go is the fact that he was taken off the field in the red zone on at least 13 occasions (Blake's TDs). I got to believe he would have had at least a couple if not more passing TDs out of those attempts. Espn isn't going to talk about that. LJ's total passing yardage was still pretty respectable in the second half of the year. And we were still able to move the ball on all teams. So, no, I don't think he is "that" far off. I had never heard of the left arm coming around for torque. That was interesting.

    I agree completely that comparing LJ to Chris Sims is an aggie-like comment.

    cesooner

  • cesooner said...

    To me, it just looks like espn is desperately looking for something to talk about. LJ has some things to work on, for sure, but part of the lack of production at the end of the year as far as TDs go is the fact that he was taken off the field in the red zone on at least 13 occasions (Blake's TDs). I got to believe he would have had at least a couple if not more passing TDs out of those attempts. Espn isn't going to talk about that. LJ's total passing yardage was still pretty respectable in the second half of the year. And we were still able to move the ball on all teams. So, no, I don't think he is "that" far off. I had never heard of the left arm coming around for torque. That was interesting.

    I agree completely that comparing LJ to Chris Sims is an aggie-like comment.

    Were we not having trouble scoring in the redzone which led to us putting in the package for Blake? Yes for the first part of the season LJ was fantastic but guys LJ simply disappeared the last few games after Broyles went out. His mechanics stunk. Oh and it is not "aggie like" to say the truth. I would say it is more,to use your term, "aggie like" to lie to ones self and act like all was well when it wasn't.

    OUManiac

    OUManiac

  • OUManiac said...

    Were we not having trouble scoring in the redzone which led to us putting in the package for Blake? Yes for the first part of the season LJ was fantastic but guys LJ simply disappeared the last few games after Broyles went out. His mechanics stunk. Oh and it is not "aggie like" to say the truth. I would say it is more,to use your term, "aggie like" to lie to ones self and act like all was well when it wasn't.

    OUManiac

    I gave LJ a chance to score 2-3, maybe 4 times out of 13. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that was very possible. Not exactly "glass half full" either. I still don't think we needed Bell to run the Belldozer. LJ would have probably scored on 95% of those plays. He was taken out to keep him from being injured and because Bell gave us the best chance in that situation. It doesn't mean he was incapable.

    His mechanics stunk? Okay, but relative to what? Go back and look at Heupel's mechanics and tell me how much it detracted from his game.

    All that said, I don't have a problem with admitting that LJ and the offense have some improvement to make. I have a problem with the comparison to Chris Simms. Simms was uncanny at choking in the tough situations. LJ is far from that. It's okay to be constructively critical, but I have a problem with bashing our 22 year old student athletes, and making snide comparisons to opposing players like Simms.

    cesooner

  • I don’t know I wish I was football smart enough to put my finger on it but there is just something that LJ needs to do that would put him over the top as a great QB. With all the talk though he just isn’t all that bad and that can be shown in the games that we lost last year. In the TT game he was 30 of 55 for 412 yards 5 TD’s and 1 INT. those stats really aren’t that bad and it’s hard to lay that loss at his feet. In the Baylor game he was 36 of 51 for 447 yards no TD’s and 1 INT again those stats just aren’t all that bad. Also in that game we brought Bell in when we got into the redzone 4 times at the 11, 1, 4 and 6 yard lines which effected the TD stats in that game. As for the Okie lite game let me give you an in-depth breakdown on that game. We had 16 drives of which 8 ended in punts, 2 ended with an INT, 3 ended in fumbles and 1 ended at the half. Bottom line with that kind of game it’s a team effort that you don’t blame on any one person, in short we got our ass beat bad, enough said about that.

    So I guess the question is do I think we can win it all with LJ and the people we have now and the anwer is hell 'ya we just need to stay healthy and get it done.

    NevadaSooner

  • cesooner said...

    I gave LJ a chance to score 2-3, maybe 4 times out of 13. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that was very possible. Not exactly "glass half full" either. I still don't think we needed Bell to run the Belldozer. LJ would have probably scored on 95% of those plays. He was taken out to keep him from being injured and because Bell gave us the best chance in that situation. It doesn't mean he was incapable.

    His mechanics stunk? Okay, but relative to what? Go back and look at Heupel's mechanics and tell me how much it detracted from his game.

    All that said, I don't have a problem with admitting that LJ and the offense have some improvement to make. I have a problem with the comparison to Chris Simms. Simms was uncanny at choking in the tough situations. LJ is far from that. It's okay to be constructively critical, but I have a problem with bashing our 22 year old student athletes, and making snide comparisons to opposing players like Simms.

    I agree with you that comparing LJ to simms isn't fair. Simms choked while sipping soup much less trying to win a big game.

    OUManiac

    OUManiac

  • Yes because Landry has won so many big games. Beating a five loss Texas team or Stanford without luck doesn't count

    On this board you must agree with everyone or you're wrong.

    BYLRK

  • BYLRK said...

    Yes because Landry has won so many big games. Beating a five loss Texas team or Stanford without luck doesn't count

    I could have written that response for you, BYLRK. Totally expected.

    This post was edited by cesooner on 5/31/2012 at 2:26 PM

    cesooner

  • NevadaSooner said...

    I don’t know I wish I was football smart enough to put my finger on it but there is just something that LJ needs to do that would put him over the top as a great QB. With all the talk though he just isn’t all that bad and that can be shown in the games that we lost last year. In the TT game he was 30 of 55 for 412 yards 5 TD’s and 1 INT. those stats really aren’t that bad and it’s hard to lay that loss at his feet. In the Baylor game he was 36 of 51 for 447 yards no TD’s and 1 INT again those stats just aren’t all that bad. Also in that game we brought Bell in when we got into the redzone 4 times at the 11, 1, 4 and 6 yard lines which effected the TD stats in that game. As for the Okie lite game let me give you an in-depth breakdown on that game. We had 16 drives of which 8 ended in punts, 2 ended with an INT, 3 ended in fumbles and 1 ended at the half. Bottom line with that kind of game it’s a team effort that you don’t blame on any one person, in short we got our ass beat bad, enough said about that.

    So I guess the question is do I think we can win it all with LJ and the people we have now and the anwer is hell 'ya we just need to stay healthy and get it done.

    Nevada -

    After reading some of the posters here I couldn't figure out who to call plain old stupid but your post saved me because you slid rationality back into the equation. The only game we lost down the stretch that I would put on LJ was maybe the OSU game but he wasn't getting much help from his offensive line. Like you, I ran the stats and LJ hit 56% of his passes over the last 5 games for 1,620 yards and he had a lot of dropped passes. Against Baylor as you noted, he was exceptional and he didn't have Broyles. The prognosticators and the total idiots who post on this board taking on LJ just don't get it. The biggest change at the end of the season was the coaches running Blake Bell. To suggest that the reason for that was deficiencies with LJ, is insanity. The coaches were looking to run more and it was working so when LJ may have been throwing OU was running with Bell instead. Bell's success and LJ's TD falloff occurred at the same time and like I said to suggest OU was running Bell because LJ wasn't putting it in the hole is ridiculous; it was more than coincidence. We don't know whether LJ wouldn't have tossed some more TD's, because the coaches found a formula for running the ball in.

    The games OU lost to Tech and Baylor lay squarely at the feet of the D. In those 2 game's losses, LJ was 62.2% for 859 yards passing. For the prognosticators and again the idiots here, that is the cliff that they describe. Against Tech LJ tossed 5 TDS and Baylor Bell ran in 4. Tell me there is not a correlation.

    Now all of you detractors of LJ. Go be Cowpoke fans or Texas fans but you're no OU fans and you don't know jack about football. Thank God none of you are our coaches!

    To add to this, right before our eyes we're witnessing one of the most prolific passers in college football history and the most in OU history and to suggest that LJ has had the receiver talent that Bradford had is ridiculous. With the exception of Broyles, has LJ had as deep a compliment of recievers as Bradford in his Heisman year? Be honest about that. The answer is no! And yet, look what he's done. Take Gresham away from Bradford and how many clutch endzone passes could he have thrown.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by chemalum77 on 5/31/2012 at 10:37 PM

    chemalum77

  • chemalum77 said...

    Nevada -

    After reading some of the posters here I couldn't figure out who to call plain old stupid but your post saved me because you slid rationality back into the equation. The only game we lost down the stretch that I would put on LJ was maybe the OSU game but he wasn't getting much help from his offensive line. Like you, I ran the stats and LJ hit 56% of his passes over the last 5 games for 1,620 yards and he had a lot of dropped passes. Against Baylor as you noted, he was exceptional and he didn't have Broyles. The prognosticators and the total idiots who post on this board taking on LJ just don't get it. The biggest change at the end of the season was the coaches running Blake Bell. To suggest that the reason for that was deficiencies with LJ, is insanity. The coaches were looking to run more and it was working so when LJ may have been throwing OU was running with Bell instead. Bell's success and LJ's TD falloff occurred at the same time and like I said to suggest OU was running Bell because LJ wasn't putting it in the hole is ridiculous; it was more than coincidence. We don't know whether LJ wouldn't have tossed some more TD's, because the coaches found a formula for running the ball in.

    The games OU lost to Tech and Baylor lay squarely at the feet of the D. In those 2 game's losses, LJ was 62.2% for 859 yards passing. For the prognosticators and again the idiots here, that is the cliff that they describe. Against Tech LJ tossed 5 TDS and Baylor Bell ran in 4. Tell me there is not a correlation.

    Now all of you detractors of LJ. Go be Cowpoke fans or Texas fans but you're no OU fans and you don't know jack about football. Thank God none of you are our coaches!

    To add to this, right before our eyes we're witnessing one of the most prolific passers in college football history and the most in OU history and to suggest that LJ has had the receiver talent that Bradford had is ridiculous. With the exception of Broyles, has LJ had as deep a compliment of recievers as Bradford in his Heisman year? Be honest about that. The answer is no! And yet, look what he's done. Take Gresham away from Bradford and how many clutch endzone passes could he have thrown.

    Go back and actually watch Landry's last 5 games. And then come back and lie and tell me how impressed you were. If ZERO TD passes in that span is impressive.. then you are correct.

    This post was edited by BYLRK on 5/31/2012 at 11:43 PM

    On this board you must agree with everyone or you're wrong.

    BYLRK

  • You left out the 2010 Big XII, championship game where he lead us back from a 21 point deficit! Really dude! He has leads us in many huge games....Oh wait,what about the game before that when we beat the pukes @ home in a barn burner? Truly, one of his best games as "the leader" of our offense? You need to look at his career in good and bad If your gonna judge. His potential (proven none-the-less) is off the charts! If the receivers catch the ball in '12, he will be one of the elites in CFB; mark it down!

    Sooners1

  • Sooners1 said...

    You left out the 2010 Big XII, championship game where he lead us back from a 21 point deficit! Really dude! He has leads us in many huge games....Oh wait,what about the game before that when we beat the pukes @ home in a barn burner? Truly, one of his best games as "the leader" of our offense? You need to look at his career in good and bad If your gonna judge. His potential (proven none-the-less) is off the charts! If the receivers catch the ball in '12, he will be one of the elites in CFB; mark it down!

    Some of you need to take off the crimson shades and read this.

    So much of Landry Jones’ success in the fall probably will be determined by seven on sevens with his receivers this summer. Jones is a quality quarterback, but he was lost without Ryan Broyles. Without Broyles, Landry Jones didn’t simply struggle. He statistically was one of the worst quarterbacks in the Big 12. In the four full games without Broyles, Jones had a passer rating of 116.5, more than 30 points lower than his his rating through the first nine games. Over a full season, that pass efficiency rating would have been the worst among Big 12 starting quarterbacks. Jones’ passing yards per attempt dropped from 8.5 yards to 6.6, which was fewer yards per attempt than Kansas’ Jordan Webb. Losing a receiver like Broyles threw the offense into disarray, not just Broyles, too. Kenny Stills needs to be ready to assume the No. 1 receiver role, a spot that’s going to be even more critical than it was a year ago. With third-leading receiver Jaz Reynolds suspended indefinitely, the position behind Stills is awfully inexperienced. If Reynolds is gone for any appreciable amount of time, Jones and Stills will need to be a championship-caliber duo because it’s a mystery what Oklahoma will get out of the rest of the receiver group. Of course, they were all major recruits, but guys like Trey Metoyer, Durron Neal and Sterling Shepard are all freshmen. I believe Jones can become a championship-level quarterback despite all these variables in the Oklahoma offense. Jones has the experience and he’ll have talent around him, even if some of it is untested. There are questions here, but I don’t think we can take Jones’ experience and career production lightly.

    http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=146&f=2445&t=9026563

    Plus he's 7-8 on the road as a starter.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BYLRK on 6/1/2012 at 2:52 AM

    On this board you must agree with everyone or you're wrong.

    BYLRK

  • Sooners1 said...

    You left out the 2010 Big XII, championship game where he lead us back from a 21 point deficit! Really dude! He has leads us in many huge games....Oh wait,what about the game before that when we beat the pukes @ home in a barn burner? Truly, one of his best games as "the leader" of our offense? You need to look at his career in good and bad If your gonna judge. His potential (proven none-the-less) is off the charts! If the receivers catch the ball in '12, he will be one of the elites in CFB; mark it down!

    I wouldn't waste a lot of energy on bylrk. He's a troll. Plus, we've already stated several good reasons for LJ's dropoff in TD production last year that is not entirely his fault. Other than that, there's really not a lot to mean-mouth LJ about at this point in his career. Bylrk and OUmaniac would be well served to go after the defense if you want to talk about why we lost the games we lost. It wasn't because LJ wasn't throwing TDs!

    cesooner

  • cesooner said...

    IIt wasn't because LJ wasn't throwing TDs!

    Or from not hitting receivers in the hands!

    chemalum77

  • chemalum77 said...

    Or from not hitting receivers in the hands!

    Yet another great point!

    cesooner

  • cesooner said...

    I wouldn't waste a lot of energy on bylrk. He's a troll. Plus, we've already stated several good reasons for LJ's dropoff in TD production last year that is not entirely his fault. Other than that, there's really not a lot to mean-mouth LJ about at this point in his career. Bylrk and OUmaniac would be well served to go after the defense if you want to talk about why we lost the games we lost. It wasn't because LJ wasn't throwing TDs!

    Yeah just ignore his stats the last 5 games. Fact is you're wrong! He was terrible the last 5 games. The osu and Iowa games were embarrassing. So zip it troll. Come up with more than your man-crush to make your point.

    On this board you must agree with everyone or you're wrong.

    BYLRK

  • He consistently threw the ball high and or behind receivers; he knows he needs improvement is why he went to the QB guru and I understand is still working with him on his mechanics, footwork, and delivery; seems he would not use his "back foot" for stability and power, follow through, because of poor foot placement; also at the top of his delivery he would hesitate and combined with not re-setting feet, well, we all saw it........
    He's working hard on these needed corrections, if he gets it down, Wow, look out, we light it up big time, like we all enjoy.

    Sevenmm33

  • BYLRK said...

    Yeah just ignore his stats the last 5 games. Fact is you're wrong! He was terrible the last 5 games. The osu and Iowa games were embarrassing. So zip it troll. Come up with more than your man-crush to make your point.

    Ahhhh, the old "I know you are but what am I" on the troll issue. I made my point/s in response to OUManiac's posts above. Obviously, you didn't see those. But that's okay. You (especially) and this thread are an exercise in futility.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by cesooner on 6/2/2012 at 11:15 AM

    cesooner