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  • MDS00NER said...

    The problem with your "double entendre" idea is that in its very definition (and using the idea of double entendre to enforce politically correct positions) requires that you make an assumption of the author's original intent, and therein lies the problem. In a country that values free speech, this extra step of assumption is dangerous. There are not many racial slurs that are so perfectly innocent when used in other contexts, I stand by what I said earlier, this was perfectly used both the word AND the phrase. Firing the guy for this is unfortunate and severe.

    Wow... a downvote for that eh?? On top of the down vote I received for the first one, I guess I should be honored, as they are collectively my first two down votes...ever. As I said earlier, its free speech until they disagree with you, then its hate speech...

      MDS00NER

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    • MDS00NER said...

      This story is the most ridiculous thing I've heard of in a long while. While "Chink" is a slang word for "Chinaman" it is also a common word in the English language:

      chink1    /tʃɪŋk/ Show Spelled[chingk] Show IPA noun 1. a crack, cleft, or fissure: a chink in a wall. 2. a narrow opening: a chink between two buildings.

      It was PERFECT usage of the word and very descriptive. NOT only this, the phrase is a popular colloquialism, also used in perfect context. This is a perfect example of how Political correctness and over-sensitivity has gotten out of hand. And now they are going to investigate and look for punitive action... next step... Thought Police.

      As a society we have - in my opinion - gotten WAY too sensitive about words, to the point where use of certain words triggers harsh responses, regardless of the actual definition. Pity, for instance, a politician who - quite properly - uses a word that means:

      "Grudging and petty in giving or spending"

      I have seen what happens and the result isn't pretty.

      Racism is ugly in any form, but it shouldn't be invented or inferred where it doesn't exist.

      This post was edited by Steady on 2/20/2012 at 5:05 PM

        Steady

      • Steady said...

        As a society we have - in my opinion - gotten WAY too sensitive about words, to the point where use of certain words triggers harsh responses, regardless of the actual definition. Pity, for instance, a politician who - quite properly - uses a word that means:

        "Grudging and petty in giving or spending"

        I have seen what happens and the result isn't pretty.

        Racism is ugly in any form, but it shouldn't be invented or inferred where it doesn't exist.

        I don't disagree that there is a great sense of political correctness out there for more and more issues but I do feel like this specific instance was just stupid by the ESPN writer. These guys are pretty smart at coming up with these correlative titles and there is no denying that the word 'Chink' is a racial slur. The way they displayed it where the text is very prominent and the first thing you see with the picture of an Asian guy, you risk it being taken out of context. That is just not smart. See attached photo. I have a friend who has never heard of the 'Chink in the armor' statement but knows that the term 'chink' is a racial slur, which he thought was offensive when shown with the prominent photo.

        http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/ESPN-Lin-headline-620x455.jpg

        MDsooner,

        Your point regarding that the double entendre is somehow not applicable is a stretch, in my opinion. To assume that everyone shouldn't make assumptions or read/talk/communicate without any prior context is not realistic...sorry, no one lives in the "wouldn't it be nice if.." vacuum world. People are messy and have different backgrounds and experiences that represent who they are as they interact. I would argue that assuming people shouldn't read things in a certain way is very short-sided and somewhat ignorant about the differences that we all represent. I also worry about the freedom of speech as a constant excuse for tolerating stupidity and the easy way out for continual negative treatment towards those who are different. Given your point regarding free speech, I'm sure we would still be calling blacks 'colored people' as that should be ok since it's just an observation and another way of saying black so you can conveniently ignore the negative aspect of it. I find this actually amusing with the prominence of lin as the Asians are going through what the blacks did in the early days with whites in sports.

        The fundamental point is that no one argues the adage 'chink in the armor' is applicable in explaining a weakness but I also don't think it takes a rocket scientist to know that chink is also a derogatory statement towards Asians. So using the term in anyway regarding an Asian is not very intelligent and risks being interpreted very badly - the burden is also on the writer to use good judgement if no true ill intent is meant.

        This post was edited by sooner1 on 2/20/2012 at 8:36 PM

          sooner1

        • It's okay to say racist things about the Irish- let's go back to doing that again. Actually the correct word is NOT racist- a racist is someone who literally believes that due to inherent racial differences once ethnicity is inferior to another. The CORRECT word is actually "Bigoted" and NOT racist, but the ESPNs of the world have so screwed up the English language it's surprising we don't just GRUNT at one another like NEanderthals.....oh, wait a minute....society IS de-evolving to that point.

          My bad!

          This post was edited by hooknladder on 2/20/2012 at 10:46 PM

            hooknladder

          • MDS00NER said...

            This story is the most ridiculous thing I've heard of in a long while. While "Chink" is a slang word for "Chinaman" it is also a common word in the English language:

            chink1 /tʃɪŋk/ Show Spelled[chingk] Show IPA noun 1. a crack, cleft, or fissure: a chink in a wall. 2. a narrow opening: a chink between two buildings.

            It was PERFECT usage of the word and very descriptive. NOT only this, the phrase is a popular colloquialism, also used in perfect context. This is a perfect example of how Political correctness and over-sensitivity has gotten out of hand. And now they are going to investigate and look for punitive action... next step... Thought Police.

            The funniest part about this whole thread is that nobody has even brought up the fact that the person trying to say that Chink was properly used, so it was totally appropriate, also refers to the Chinese as "Chinaman".

            The arguments on this subject are futile. If you don't see the poor taste exhibited by ESPN, then nothing that is said on a message board is going to enlighten you. The free speech arguments are also inappropriate. Free speech doesn't mean that you can embarrass your employer by making racially insensitive remarks without getting fired. By the way - don't read what someone wrote, then attack them for being intolerant by using the free speech argument - I think that anyone would be able to see the hypocrisy in that.

              ChitownSooner

            • ChitownSooner said...

              The funniest part about this whole thread is that nobody has even brought up the fact that the person trying to say that Chink was properly used, so it was totally appropriate, also refers to the Chinese as "Chinaman".

              The arguments on this subject are futile. If you don't see the poor taste exhibited by ESPN, then nothing that is said on a message board is going to enlighten you. The free speech arguments are also inappropriate. Free speech doesn't mean that you can embarrass your employer by making racially insensitive remarks without getting fired. By the way - don't read what someone wrote, then attack them for being intolerant by using the free speech argument - I think that anyone would be able to see the hypocrisy in that.

              Unfortunately, I (and others here) was not aware "Chinaman" was also apparently taboo as well.... but frankly this makes my point as well. The fact that one has to spend so much time parsing their words so as not to inadvertantly offend some group has gotten out of hand. This country is entirely to focused on groupism and protecting the sensibilities of groups, which in and of itself is contrary to beliefs that it was founded on. Hate crimes are a perfect example, how is killing someone or assaulting them any more a crime because it is perpetrated against someone who is in a now "protected group". Why is beating up and raping a protected group individual somehow more heinous than the same thing being done to an individual not in a protected group? Its insane. They are both serious crimes and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
              All of this "groupism" is fracturing this country, not bringing it together... IF our goal is for this country to be race blind, color blind etc, how is this accomplished by focusing so much attention into separating us in groups, especially with politicians choosing to use these differences to gain political favor.
              I have not labeled or called anyone any names here and I'm not going to, in fact I have a history of trying to moderate this kind of thing, unfortunately I cannot say the same for some of you, just because I hold a different view it has been inferred that I am a racist
              As for the hypocrisy statement, look back closely, I did not attack anyone for what they wrote UNTIL they used their free speech to attack me by attempting to label me. My first post was in response to the news story, which I felt was ridiculous.

                MDS00NER

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              • ChitownSooner said...

                The funniest part about this whole thread is that nobody has even brought up the fact that the person trying to say that Chink was properly used, so it was totally appropriate, also refers to the Chinese as "Chinaman".

                The arguments on this subject are futile. If you don't see the poor taste exhibited by ESPN, then nothing that is said on a message board is going to enlighten you. The free speech arguments are also inappropriate. Free speech doesn't mean that you can embarrass your employer by making racially insensitive remarks without getting fired. By the way - don't read what someone wrote, then attack them for being intolerant by using the free speech argument - I think that anyone would be able to see the hypocrisy in that.

                Actually the funniest part about this thread would be your total whiff on the issue at hand, if it weren't so sad. One can only hope you are not representative of all OU graduates.

                  wmdky

                • How many on this board are offended by the term "Okie"? Not me. I answer with pride. The NCAA wants FSU to change from the Seminole name for offending the tribe, the spokesperson for the tribe said they were proud to have their name used by the university. Lin was not bothered by the "Chink" term.
                  Most often the people crying "racism, or offensive language" are not even the target of the statements. To be so easily offended shows a lack of pride in ones own race
                  The thought police of this country are creating a absurd situation for anyone in the public eye to live up to.

                    jollywOUd

                  • MDS00NER said...

                    Unfortunately, I (and others here) was not aware "Chinaman" was also apparently taboo as well.... but frankly this makes my point as well. The fact that one has to spend so much time parsing their words so as not to inadvertantly offend some group has gotten out of hand. This country is entirely to focused on groupism and protecting the sensibilities of groups, which in and of itself is contrary to beliefs that it was founded on. Hate crimes are a perfect example, how is killing someone or assaulting them any more a crime because it is perpetrated against someone who is in a now "protected group". Why is beating up and raping a protected group individual somehow more heinous than the same thing being done to an individual not in a protected group? Its insane. They are both serious crimes and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
                    All of this "groupism" is fracturing this country, not bringing it together... IF our goal is for this country to be race blind, color blind etc, how is this accomplished by focusing so much attention into separating us in groups, especially with politicians choosing to use these differences to gain political favor.
                    I have not labeled or called anyone any names here and I'm not going to, in fact I have a history of trying to moderate this kind of thing, unfortunately I cannot say the same for some of you, just because I hold a different view it has been inferred that I am a racist
                    As for the hypocrisy statement, look back closely, I did not attack anyone for what they wrote UNTIL they used their free speech to attack me by attempting to label me. My first post was in response to the news story, which I felt was ridiculous.

                    Obviously, some people have not seen The Big Lebowski. The Chinaman is not the issue here, dude.

                    In all seriousness, we have progressed (or, one could easily argue, digressed) to a deeper argument that rests on a very fine line, surrounded in grey and bullet points supporting this and that.

                    Going that deep is useless. Or at least wasteful with precious minutes. Pretty simple: this is the world we live in, so writing that tells me that guy didn't care very much for his job. If he did, he wouldn't have done it. That, or he is supremly nieve.

                    I just went to ESPN's homepage and half of the headlines are plays on words, having double meanings one can only guess will illicit a response from the reader (typically a chuckle or to garner interest).

                    For example: "Ready to Pounce" regarding another Asian ladies man named Tiger. Get it!?

                    Take this to whatever underlying, societal level you want, but the nature of the sports headline points towards poor taste more than anything. Simply a bit garish and heavy handed.

                    This thread and the arguments here are the issue. Any half brained mouth breather should see that this is not cooth (not a crime or an act of intolerance) and just move on with a wry smile and a shake of the head. Have fun finding a new job, jokester.

                    This post was edited by bigeasysooner on 2/22/2012 at 1:57 AM

                      bigeasysooner

                    • jollywOUd said...

                      How many on this board are offended by the term "Okie"? Not me. I answer with pride. The NCAA wants FSU to change from the Seminole name for offending the tribe, the spokesperson for the tribe said they were proud to have their name used by the university. Lin was not bothered by the "Chink" term.
                      Most often the people crying "racism, or offensive language" are not even the target of the statements. To be so easily offended shows a lack of pride in ones own race
                      The thought police of this country are creating a absurd situation for anyone in the public eye to live up to.

                      So based on your point, being called an okie is exactly like African-Americans being called niggers and Asians-Americans being called chinks, and since you're cool with okie for you, minorities should be ok with these other terms too? Wow, thank YOU for making the blanket determination for both minority groups on how they should view these terms...you are so wise. Thank God it's that simple.

                      I'm also assuming you're not a minority either.

                      This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by sooner1 on 2/22/2012 at 1:24 PM

                        sooner1