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Demarco showing how bad - weak our o-line was and is !!*

  • OUFISH14 said...

    It's pretty clear that he is a great back and is showing the NFL that he has the talent to be great. Based upon his performance at OU ( I know he was hurt off and on) it's pretty clear to me that our o- line wasnt very good and very similar this year as far as " run blocking".

    We have become a " finese team" on offense and basically struggle to knock people off the ball and run physical. Stoops has fallen into the spread offense and gotten away on what he really believes in " run the ball , play action pass and play hard nose tough man to man press defense"!!!.

    That is what OSU does better than we do - run the ball and physical at the line of scrimmage!

    It's so clear now by the success that Demarco is having. We had better make a commitment to run the ball and get physical at the line of scrimmage. I'm telling you that our current fullback is a NFL type back that could be a " load" to handle with a decent line a commitment to run the ball.

    We are really terrible at the point of attack - ok with spread run blocking which is suited better for Finch, but weak ar short yardage and typical pro set type blocking.

    Just an observation

    I pretty much despise these kinds of posts and the people who make them. It simply ignores history while taking cheap shots at OU and it's coaches and players.

    Just a little reminder for all of us. In Demarco's five years at OU we won over 78% of the games. Demarco suffered a horrible injury that could have ended his playing career. His five years includes the worst year of the OU Stoops era where the team went 8 - 5.

    In 2007, Demarco suffered a horribly debilitating kneecap injury that could have ended his career. It took Demarco a year to fully recover from that injury. Then he also missed games and playing time due to hamstring and ankle injuries. The guy simply played injured and at less than 100% for a significant part of his OU career. Still, Demarco is found repeatedly in the OU record book. OU used Demarco in almost ever facet of the offense. He was a running back, caught passes out of the backfield and in the slot and was a great and productive part of the return game.

    Demarco is the #1 all purpose yard gainer in the history of OU. He is ahead of guys like Ryan Broyles [almost 900 yards] Joe Washington, Quentin Griffin, Greg Pruitt, Billy Sims, Adrian Peterson, and on and on. He is OU's all time scoring and TD leader.

    Ya, OU did a horrible job with Demarco in his five years at OU.

    OU and the OU coaches simply did a great job with Demarco. They fully utilized the kid's great array of skills and talents. They put him in the position to be one of the most productive players in the total history of one of the greatest offensive programs in all of the history of NCAA football. I believe that over the total of NCAA football, OU has scored more points than any other FBS team. And, Demarco Murray is at the top of the list of OU players in terms of scoring and TDs.

    What a horrible deal Murray had at OU.

    Here is what I would say about Demarco's NFL start. I would simply suggest that OU gave him the chance to shine in about every facet of the offense. It is likely due to OU's coaches having the foresight to train, coach and utilize the total of his skills and talent, thus giving him the tools to play a strong all-around offensive game in the NFL.

    But, no matter how good of a job OU coaches do with any one player there will always be a few who resort to putting down what the OU coaches have done with the player.

    Some simply can't accept the simple fact that every team/coach simply can't be the best in every facet of the game. So, they feel the need to pick apart every thing they do that somehow doesn't live up to their expectation.

    roygbell

  • SoonerManChild said...

    I love how some people keep trying to turn this post into something it's not. The post is about our Oline not being able to run block over the last 3 years and that's fact. The OP didn't say our whole offense sucks he simply just pointed out that Murray in the NFL is showing just how bad we have been at run blocking. Even in 08 we couldn't run the ball on good teams like TCU, Texas & Florida.

    Agree. We're still a work in progress. Without a good run game we don't win an NC if we're lucky enough to get to New Orleans.

    Cover 2

  • Well, its very plain that OU would have another MNC but for the team's short yardage woe's inside the 20 vs Florida.

    It is not a new issue for OU, and James' post explained the past, present, and what the coaches are trying to accomplish for the future. The use of Bell in short yardage situations is pointed directly at this issue, and is very telling of the current coaching staff's concern and efforts to address this issue going forward.

    Whether DeMarco would have had an even better career at OU if the team had been better at run blocking is for message board speculation. The fact is DeMarco did have a great career at OU, in spite of several injuries, and is having a fantastic rookie year in the NFL.

    DawgSooner

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  • OUFISH14 said...
    That is what OSU does better than we do - run the ball and physical at the line of scrimmage!

    You're absolutely right. I have no idea how we'll overcome the six-yards-per-game margin by which oswho has outrushed us this season. Just imagine how different our season might have been if we'd gained six more yards per game on the ground!

    Average yards rushing per game in 2011:
    oswho -- 171
    OU -- 165

    This post was edited by skyvue on 11/15/2011 at 10:28 AM

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  • SoonerManChild said...

    Even in 08 we couldn't run the ball on good teams like TCU, Texas & Florida.

    someone want to look up what those three teams ranked in defense against the run in 2008? i'm going to say with about 90% certainty that they were all in the top 10 in rush defense. can you really fault us for asking sam bradford to throw for 12 combined TDs in those three games? in hindsight, that was a terrible idea, we should of kept trying to pound it against those top 10 rushing defenses.

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  • DawgSooner said...

    Well, its very plain that OU would have another MNC but for the team's short yardage woe's inside the 20 vs Florida.

    It is not a new issue for OU, and James' post explained the past, present, and what the coaches are trying to accomplish for the future. The use of Bell in short yardage situations is pointed directly at this issue, and is very telling of the current coaching staff's concern and efforts to address this issue going forward.

    Whether DeMarco would have had an even better career at OU if the team had been better at run blocking is for message board speculation. The fact is DeMarco did have a great career at OU, in spite of several injuries, and is having a fantastic rookie year in the NFL.

    No, it isn't plain or a fact. If OU would have focused on the run it may well not even been IN the NC game. It was the tremendous offense we DID have that got us there in the first place. Revisionist illusion to make a point isn't fact and isn't even always good logic.

    OURover

  • guys all you have to do is just watch our line when they try to run the ball inside and you can see they are not very good at knocking guys down and opening holes for the backs. A lot of our rushing yards are around the corners with the ends and fullback leading the way. Take time to watch the line when we try to run inside or off tackle and you will see what I mean.
    Patton needs to really start teaching these guys how to run block better or hire someone that can. I am just getting tired of the execuses.

    denny777

  • +1

    Not to mention the aforementioned Mr. Murray did not play in the Florida game.

    I suspect that he would have made a difference in the red zone within the same offensive scheme we ran all year.

    Just sayin'

    CrimsonHeart

  • The original post said how weak our o-line has been.

    I think very few will come on here and say how dominant we are in the run game. What has been pointed out ad-nauseum is that it is VERY difficult to be dominate in both run and pass blocking. How many sacks have we given up this year? To give up 3 or 4 sacks this year and say our line is "weak" is laughable at best.

    Demarco was a very good back while he was at OU. When he was healthy, he was very productive. It was a combination of him being a good back and having a solid OL. Maybe those o-lines were like this years - better at pass protection than run blocking but we also had Sam and now Landry at QB. I am OK with that.

    progsooner

  • SoonerSons said...

    someone want to look up what those three teams ranked in defense against the run in 2008? i'm going to say with about 90% certainty that they were all in the top 10 in rush defense. can you really fault us for asking sam bradford to throw for 12 combined TDs in those three games? in hindsight, that was a terrible idea, we should of kept trying to pound it against those top 10 rushing defenses.

    jeremy

    It doesn't matter what they were ranked good run blocking teams are still able to move the ball on the ground. 30 yards against TCU and I think under 50 against Texas just isn't good run blocking plain and simple. Florida Brown rushed for over a 100, but Florida was giving us the run between the 20s because they knew Brown couldn't hurt them so they loaded up on the pass. Then inside the 20 they owned our Oline.

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  • CrimsonHeart said...

    +1

    Not to mention the aforementioned Mr. Murray did not play in the Florida game.

    I suspect that he would have made a difference in the red zone within the same offensive scheme we ran all year.

    Just sayin'

    I tend to agree we win with Murray, but we wouldn't have been trying to get in from the 1 with Murray he would have scored from much farther out and we would have thrown all over them, because they would have actually had to respect our run game between the 20's instead of loading up to stop the pass. Bottom line though is that Murray didn't play and our Oline got owned 3 different times inside the 5 yard line.

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  • SoonerManChild said...

    I love how some people keep trying to turn this post into something it's not. The post is about our Oline not being able to run block over the last 3 years and that's fact. The OP didn't say our whole offense sucks he simply just pointed out that Murray in the NFL is showing just how bad we have been at run blocking. Even in 08 we couldn't run the ball on good teams like TCU, Texas & Florida.

    It's tough to run the ball against teams that have close to equal talent when they can put 7-8 up in the box and have more players than can be blocked. The teams listed were top 5 defenses. TCU sold out to stop the run and got torched. Texas and Florida were great against the run that year. Sometimes credit needs to be given to the other team.

    CrimsonMarc

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