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This one I don't understand. If you look at our history of putting OL in the NFL, especially in the 1st round, I don't think any other program matches our record over the past 8 years or so.
What gives, we are developing some of the NFL's best and we can't get a top rated guy to commit.
This post was edited by James Hale 15 months ago
From things said during the course of a full year:
1. Only 2 great prospects in the Oklahoma-Tx. recruiting area (both going to UT- Raulerson & Perkins)
2. OU looked outside its normal area for great prospects where it's harder to get commitments
3. As OU lost out on these more difficult OTs they refocused on some they passed over and except for Daimler, it was too late to get a serious look.
4. They had to scrounge and find a few OTs that had great upsides that were largely overlooked but worthy of a D1 scholarship.
Not good enough.
Kittle and Patton. In over their collective heads. All of those players - save Lane Johnson who was a TE - were Wilson's kids.
Playing golf, getting ready to play golf, or just finished playing or practicing on the range.
The amazing thing to me is how many people, including several on this board, were happy to see Wilson move on.....
Seems since 08 OU has not been strong at getting OL.. OU has Brown, Chester, Williams, Joseph in the NFL OL and soon to be Johnson. So, its not like they are not developing kids. Other schools get kids from all over the US? Why cant OU close? There is a set back of some kind.
I'm hell when I'm well.. And, I am never sick!
I think Johnson was a Wilson find out of nowhere. Ultimately, he was a Wilson kid.
We also put Loadholdt and Donald S. who started a couple of games at LT for the Chiefs this past season in the league.
Do yourself a favor and count up the number of OLinemen OU has in the league and then count Michigan, Alabama, Iowa and Wisconsin's..........heck count up the number from Boise State.
Okay, so I did. I went and looked at this year's rosters in NFL by school:
OU had 5 (Two named to Pro-Bowl)
Of them all, only Texas had more...and how has that worked out for them?
Of them all, only Alabama had a better record the last 5 years.
Yes, OU is among the very tops at putting OL in the league.
If you want to add TEs as linemen, add 2 more for OU, including Pro Bowler. Since Alabama has no TEs in the pros, I would say OU does as well and probably better than anyone with 7. Guess our recruiting and coaching doesn't suck after all. Who'd of thought?
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by OURover 15 months ago
Your math is dreadful, Iowa had 12 and 7 were starters, Wisconsin has 6 starters
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by capclay 15 months ago
I am a little down on the recruiting as a whole but we have been solid on the offensive line, put a few in the league so the problem is attrition and style of play, pass blocking is the hardest to sustain and leaves a lineman more vulnerable to injury and without the steady diet of power run blocking toughness becomes a side affect.
I went by ESPN site of NFL rosters by Schools.
Bleacher Report is notoriously wrong and usually totally outdated.
I would think that in a fair evaluation of recent OL success that Rovers finding of OL on CURRENT NFL ROSTERS is a much better measurement than the Bleacher Report hack who goes by "number of OL drafted over the last decade".
Furthermore, the Bleacher Report writer admits in the article that he did not check the facts for himself, instead relying on another website that he is not even sure is accurate.
Nice job Rover.
That's good stuff.
If you break down those stats a bit more only Donald Stehenson was post 2009.
Jamal Brown 2001-2004
Chris Chester 2002-2005
Davin Joseph 2002-2005
Phil Loadholt 2007-2008
Donald Stephenson 2008-2011
Trent Williams 2006-2009
Before you pass out to many congratulatory cigars, keep things in perspective, and not make things seem different then what they are.
How many have been Patton and Kittle recruits, and how many were here and gone before the current coaches.
I'm a real adult fan, not like all you other spoiled babies. You don't know anything about me, but I can make wild accusations about you.
So by your list,
1 went after 2004 season
2 after 2005
0 after 2006
0 after 2007
1 after 2008
1 after 2009
0 after 2010
1 after 2011
1 coming after 2012
I'm not seeing a big difference in the trend so far. Sure, '05 was a good year but also followed by the only two year drought.
I'm not seeing the point you are trying to make with that list.
My point is how many have been Patton or Kittles recruits?
Rover made a point about coaching and recruiting.
But the number of OL doesn't reflect what the current coaches have done, just what the current group of Sooner OL in the NFL are.
So the only fair conclusion is that it's too early to make a solid judgment, wouldn't you say?
I looked to see who the OL recruits we offered but lost out on this year did finally commit to. Here's what I found as of 1/30/13:
g+ Laremy Tunsil (OT from FL): bama, geo or ole miss
g Kent Perkins (OT Dallas Lake Highlands) - UT
+ Ethan Pocic (OT Lemont, IL) - LSU
g Evan Lisle (OT Centerville, OH) - Ohio St
g Derwin Gray (OT Washington, D.C.) - Maryland
* Christian Morris (OT Memphis) - UCLA
+* Hunter Bivin (OT Owensboro, KY) - Notre Dame
g+* Nico Falah (OT Bellflower, CA) - USC
g Na'Ty Rodgers (OT Pomfret, MD) - S Carolina
g Jake Campos (OT West Des Moines, IA) - Iowa St
g+ Jack Keeler (OT Barrington, IL) - Wisc
g+ J.J. Gustafson (OT Dallas Jesuit) - TX A&M
g ac Aaron Cochran (OT Atwater, CA) Cal
Dan Skipper (OT Arvada, CO) Arkansas
ac Sean Dowling (OT Fallbrook, CA) Vandy
g Matt Finnin (OT Glen Ellyn, IL) Neb
Desmond Harrison (OT San Pablo, CA) Texas
Dalton Rodriguez (DE Tulsa) Tulsa
g+ Trenton Brown (OT 2011 Albany, GA) Florida 2013
g Clay Rhodes (OT Stilwell, KS) MO
g Rami Hammad (OG Irving, TX) Texas
Rob Boyd (OG Vian, OK #16 nationally) no offer - Tulsa 1/25/13
* Caleb Benenoch (OG Katy, TX) UCLA
g Darius James (OC Killeen, TX) Texas
I've added the note g for possible geographic preference, + for possible football program preference, ac for possible academicc preference and * for glamor and beaches.
Of the 24 guys we offered and lost (and there were others we didn't even offer) at least 15 had possible geographic preferences to play closer to home. UCLA seems to have overachieved this year, even taking the possible best defensive player in the state of Texas, Deon Hollins Jr.
Even if we're going up against Western Michigan for an Illinois lineman (Kendall Moore) geography seems something to overcome. Again that means to me we need to find the best within OK, Texas and our contiguous states. For instance, I'm surprised we couldn't get anyone from Colorado this year or last. Even if the local kids want to play on the Pacific Coast, do they really want to lose?
Nor does it seem we feel able to develop what Oklahoma kids there are into solid OLinemen.
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