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In 2013 he breaks in a new QB and speculation is that true freshmen will start on defense including at safety. Tough schedule...at ND, OSU, Baylor and KSU. Of course, we could run the table, but more likely it will be a season like 1999.
Personally, I think he made the decision because he wants change now and we cannot go another year of poor recruiting.
Another reason, perhaps not the main reason, is if 2013 turns out to be a disappointing, it will be termed "the cost of rebuilding" versus "the cost of complacency". If you are rebuilding then you can still recruit.
Hopefully, we fans can give this some time and not expect immediate results.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by James Hale 17 months ago
I think Joe C pressured him because the big donors are tired of Bob's preformance and his excuses.
........if 2013 recruiting for patton and shipp had gone much better, do you think he still would have pulled the trigger on the changes
I think this is overplayed.
Donations are increasing. The backlog for tickets is high. The athletic department is in the black and with the new TV deal getting blacker. There is no financial panic and therefore donors are not panicked.
Donors are asking questions, expressing surprise and concern, but no one putting pressure on Joe C.
And to Stoops credit...he is making changes before the pressure begins.
The big donors don't go through Joe C. They might tell him after, but they don't go through him.
Bob, IMO, is showing some of the fight we thought he had lost. It's funny that it corresponded with the unprecedented needling he got this year from Hoover but who cares the reason if we play like Sooners again.
I don't understand why you down voted powervault ? What he said could have happened. This board has been really positive the last few weeks and he just stated his thoughts on what could have really transpired.That is not a negative and we as Sooner fans are excited about the next few hires and the potential to get back to wimnning a NC !
That's exactly what happened but it was more Boren than Joe
I have not heard that from anyone.
Working with Boren...I have never known him to not go through the right channels which means going through Joe C who is Stoop's boss. He may meet with Stoops directly, but Joe C is always in the room.
Also...unless this was going to hurt raising capital...Boren would not get involved more than asking questions...that is my experience with him.
The notion that Stoops' coaching moves were due to pressure from wither Joe C or Boren is very little more than an argument of convenience for people who accused Stoops of being complacent and now are seeking a way to avoid eating their helping of crow.
Wrong--as usual. That is so far from being true it's not even funny. This was all Bob.
Under this argument if you are complacent you stay complacent.
I think Stoops was complacent...until now. He hired relatives, buddies, former players and allowed recruiting to slip.
So he woke up and is no longer complacent. He recognized that changes were needed and the path he was on was not a good one...so good for him, but he did allow it to get this far under his watch. So I think people had right to be concerned, but people should also applaud him for making changes.
This post was edited by SoonerJuris 17 months ago
Actually, under that argument, there was no complacency to begin with.
I find your rationale to be not very compelling because when you talk about Stoops hiring relatives, buddies, and former players, you are describing the very first coaching staff he put together when he was hired, and basically the coaching staff throughout his time at OU.
Bob average 10 1/2 wins a year and 2 1/2 losses a year. Basically he is either 11-2 or 10-3 most seasons.
He has had one loss once and none once. He has had two 5 loss seasons and one 4 loss. He has been remarkably consistent. Unfortunately the last two seasons have been 3 and four years ago was the five loss season and neither of his above average years were in that time frame. So 13 losses in four years is trending negative. He understands this needs to change.
James I don't see how anybody could have watched the games last season and knowing who has graduated would expect a great season next year. It was a down year in the conference or it would have been worse.
If there was no complacency to begin with then Bob would not need to fire four coaches in two years, arguably. More importantly, if there was no complacency:
1. We should have at least one more national championship by the law of averages;
2. Our defense would not have been mauled in three games last year allowing opposing teams to set records;
3. We should not have lost to a very bad Texas Tech at home in 2012;
4. We should not be sharing a championship with Kansas State, a team we lost to at home, but who got manhandled in their bowl game this year;
5. Lost to a Notre Dame team at home that got manhandled by Alabama;
6. Been embarrassed by an A&M team in a national bowl...a team we beat without a problem the year before; and
7. We would not be left scrambling to field a recruiting class rated well below what we have done in the past.
Nope...no complacency what so ever. All's good.
I'm talking about Coach Stoops, and I've made that abundantly clear.
I applaud Coach Stoops for making the changes...I really do...it is what I hoped would happen. The departure of 2/5 of our defensive line on campus shows it needed to happen.
But IMHO, he allowed it to go too far because he was complacent. He thought that the ship would correct itself and it did not.
So to argue that he was on top of everything all the time fails to recognize the signs of decay. The Bobby Stoops of 99-2008 is not the 2009-2012 Bobby Stoops.
With that written, I hope the 2013 Bobby Stoops can turn it around again, it looks like he is taking a no prisoners attitude and I for one hope it works. Maybe the 2014 or 2015 Bobby Stoops can bring home the crystal.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by SoonerJuris 17 months ago
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