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1: We're Oklahoma
2: We have great tradition
These seem to not be working..
Heres a few
1: Great staff, longevity and consitency
2: proven track record of constantly winning
3: Always competing for championships
4: Good coordinators, not Great...
5: Good academics, not great
we say all the time that kids want to go sonewhere they can play right away... Even last year mcnamara saw this.. our recievers saw this.... so why havent the oline or dline kids see this opportunity? Why are we losing a def committment to a school who already has 4 def tackle committments? Something is not right!!
It's one year.
Agreed and it's not even going that bad. Everyone keeps pointing as to how there are no DT or O line commits but you also have to look at the players OU has at those positions now. At DT there are three freshman that OU has put a lot of faith in and Phillips could potentially be a star. Wade and Anderson are going to develop. Not every DT can have the impact as a freshman that Harris and McCoy had. The O Line is loaded with freshman and sophomores as well. A lot of those sophomores started or got a load of playing time this year. O Linemen usually don't turn into the Jammal Brown or Davin Joseph types until their third year of playing time.
Is this the best that OU has done in recruiting? No but it is definitely not a reason for everyone to act as if the sky is falling. Players for last years class have contributed and the ones from the year before that have as well. OU has and never will put all their stock into star ratings or numbers they get in the classes. If OU can get those players in the class now to contribute, that is what makes a successful class.
Agree, well said.
We brought in ONE defensive tackle last year! At this point we don't have ANY defensive tackles. So are you saying we will be fine with bringing in ONE defensive tackle every two years? A very interesting take on recruiting. Perhaps we should only bring in three offensive linemen a year?
Right now we are in on TWO JUCO's and one of those has a knee that will keep him from playing next year & the other still has visits to take.
This post was edited by MDellaVecchio 19 months ago
its ridiculous to try and spin this years debacle in recruiting of def tackled is absurd!!
no the sky is not falling but we do have problems
Andrew that is the biggest pile of horse manure that you have ever written on this site. This class is is desperate trouble and Gundy needs to be replaced as Recruioting co-ordinator. He is a good recuiter of running backs but he sucks as the leader, especially with big eaters. he is lost.
Lets stop and think for a minute. Is there any plausable reason why we would slow play Manning except for arrogance and stupid judgment. If he doesn't make his grades, it is on him. We slapped the face of a four star DT that everyone wanted. Now that the frigging horse is laying on the highway dead, everyone seems just mystified.
Most on you on here are like baby birds. You wakeup every morning waiting for someone to feed you a worm. Well we whiffed on Manning this week and there is no room at the inn.
Two years ago I posted on here that almost none in the Texas top 50 had OU at the top of THEIR list. Well those chickens are home to roost and the egg was laid long before A & M went to the SEC.
If only your stupid #%^ down arrows would have saved everything.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MDellaVecchio 19 months ago
It should be quite obvious that is NOT what he was saying. Seriously.
I completely agree, as I have stated in another thread. Referring to Andrews reply.
This post was edited by treaddav 19 months ago
“If a team is to reach its potential, each player must be willing to subordinate his personal goals to the good of the team.”- Bud Wilkinson
You admit that we are "always competing for championships" and "are constantly winning," so why all the whining? Isn't that what counts in D-1 athletics?
Sprig, I know you're at the recruiting luncheon every year as am I. Why don't you ask Gundy or bring it up then.
whining? lol dude im 41 years old.. I dont whine.. Im concerned about our recruiting thats all... Something is right pertaining to both lines and hopefully they can turn it around somehow.... whining?? your an idiot
Ok easy there tiger. I agree that OU slow playing Manning was a mistake. Believe me. I saw him when he was a sophomore at the OU camps and said to James that if OU doesn't get him, it will be a huge mistake. They didn't get him...yet...and OU is going to be upset at themselves for that.
I am not condoning how OU recruited him but I have a feeling that grades were not the issue. There have been many cases where grades did not stop OU. Just look at Latu, Gardner, and heck even Trey Metoyer. There might have been something else that turned OU away from Manning. What that was? I have no idea and am not making any accusations.
I am however, saying that OU has always competed on the field and have developed talent like nobody else. When it comes to DTs the past two years have not been the best but that is due to a number of things. McGee always getting suspended, Walker was hurt and missed a couple games this year due to personal problems and the McFarland just did not pan out how everyone expected. It wasn't that long ago that everyone was raving at how well Shipp was doing at recruiting and coaching but now that one recruit goes elsewhere, everyone is calling for his head. I get it, you're upset about recruiting. You've been upset for awhile, especially in Texas but we have always been at odds about the situation.
This years class will not be the best but like I said it is far from the being horrible. There are some quality players in this class and we don't know who else they might get by the time signing day comes around.
In reference to Gundy being replaced, one word, HA. If you have a problem with Gundy, confront him about it. I was there at the luncheon and not once did a question come up about his job as recruiting coordinator and how well he was doing it.
Good day to you sir.
One last year, two the year before that, and three the year before that...by golly my dear Watson I see a pattern emerging!
I agree quantity helps when you look at cases like Noble, Humphreys, Chaisson etc. You never know what's going to happen when they get on campus so numbers help but with the three guys that have come in the past three years, they will develop within the next year or two and OU will bring in more young guys and they will develop. It's all a process.
its amazin how people react to this recruitin,
fire shipp" fire gundy", how crazy, i have been going to these luncheons for yrs, and all the ones who do who run their opinions on here, has never stood up and said u need to be fired or your overpaid lol, all talk, no guts, i have always had faith in this staff with recruitin, i hope they never lower their standards and just offer everyone, u do that and on signin day they cant qualify, then your out numbers, and then what..i challenge u bullspring at the next luncheon to stand up and say what u been sayin on here, and for friend IRLOU, i notice u show up in cognitio lol, OU will always have their traditions and i hope they never back and as far as u sayin good coordinators and good grades, better go check your facts....or go tell boren to quit sayin how great we are
the sky has been falling on ou recruiting the past 3 years. especially in regards to the talent level it takes to compete for the nat'l title. some of us have been pointing this out for 3 years.
if it's not the sky that's falling , it's damn sure something
And you're a MAN!
Agree with all of your points but academics is probably a bit more of a liability than an asset.
1. For many recruits the appeal of Norman falls short of either staying closer to home or going to a more desirable location.
2. The appeal of playing in the SEC is apparently a big draw for some of the top defensive and lineman players.
Well with none, so far this year, that leaves us six every four years. I would think you would want more than that when you factor in school, injuries & other problems that come up. I don't see how anyone can argue that our defensive tackle recruiting has fallen off.
This post was edited by OUManiac 19 months ago
Andrew, how will we bring in "more young guys"? We signed no HS defensive tackles last year and will not sign any this year, either.
Here's the problem as I see it: It's not just about how bad our DT's are going to suck next year (and they are going to suck; to say otherwise is just stupid, blind sunshine-pumping). It's also about how bad they will be three, four, and five years from now when we have zero depth at the position. Sure, we can chase JUCO's, but that's not the answer to building depth of talented players at any position, especially one requiring such a slow learning curve as DT.
If one can look at our DT situation objectively, and remove as much bias as possible, that person cannot fail to see how poor our short-term and long-term outlook is at that position. We have zero juniors returning and only two sophomores. One of those, Damon Williams, is a converted offensive lineman who to my knowledge has yet to play a snap at DT. The other, Torrea Peterson, appears to prefer running stadium steps to running down quarterbacks, as he seems to be perpetually suspended from the team. Then we have three returning freshman. One of them, Jordan Wade, is a true freshman so did not play this past year. Of the two redshirt freshmen, Jordan Phillips is the only one who got any meaningful snaps this past season. Marquis Anderson played some in mop-up duty.
The best indicator of the returning talent level we have at the defensive tackle position is this: During the first half of the season, when Stacey McGee was unavailable due to suspension, our coaches chose to move an undersized David King over to DT to create a three-man rotation, thereby forcing a redshirt freshman with no game experience whatsoever into a starting position at DE, rather than promote one of the four available underclassmen at DT to what would still only be a backup role.
Allow me to clarify this once again: We stole a starter at DE, in the process thrusting a RSFr with absolutely no game experience whatsoever into his vacated starting DE position, just so we didn't have to put one of our four returning defensive tackles on the field as a backup. Get it? It's that simple. That's how bad we are at DT.
But, sure, we've got nothing to worry about. "We're Oklahoma!" Rah! Rah!
This post was edited by soonerdowns 19 months ago
Really confront him about it. R u kidding. Have u ever complained about any coach? If so u better confront him when u see him so we can get it cleared up.
How many more time are you going to beat this horse?
This post was edited by LeawoodSooner 19 months ago
I'd say probably until we actually get a real defensive line. How long are you going to close your eyes?
I would love to see that as well.
Marc, I won't be able to attend this year because I am no longer a subscriber. I am a scab. I would get no answer from Gundy because he is still the arrogant jerk he was in college. He is a very good judge of talent but he is lost as a coordinator IMHO. Missed tickets, missed offers, late offers, putting star recruits with malcontents. The list goes on and on.
What do you think gundy would say to a question. " I didn't like your question then and I don't like it now.
OUgrad97, although I am 66 I played college football as did Gundy. If you think I am intimidated by him you are sadly mistaken. Also a recruiting luncheon where we celebrate new recruits is hardly the place for a confrontation unless a person is just trying to disrupt Brians luncheon. Not the time or place.
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