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I usually do only bullet points, but OU football is at a tipping point and this is the last game of the year. As this game shows more than anything one good player and one good coach can make a difference in a college football team...in one year. We had that coaching difference in 2000 along with a great group of defensive players. I am starting to have doubts if we have that coaching difference in 2013. We have not had a player that could make a difference since Bradford.
We cannot win every bowl game, but this is the third bowl game where we played uninspired football both from players and coaches. It was perhaps the worst second half performance in a bowl game I have witnessed as an OU fan since we lost to BYU with Gibbs.
Coaching is a tough profession. Long nights, high stress and lots of travel. Undoubtedly, most coaches lose an edge either through losing or winning. A losing coach, like Blake or Schnelly, is easy to deal with...you see the results with bad play, team defections or just bad players.
The winning coach who loses an edge is more difficult because you remember what they did in the past and the decline is slower and more subtle...you lose out on recruits who can make a difference, you start losing away games you should win and then big home games you should win. The team starts having problems with drugs and defections. Play is inconsistent and you start hearing the same talking points after a loss...missed assignments or being out coached.
Nevertheless, you win 9 or 11 games and you appease the boosters who keep giving pay raises and then before you know it you have a Bobby Bowden, Joe Paterno or even Mack Brown...institutionalized mediocrity.
Folks, I think we are at that tipping point. Switzer was able to regain the edge in 1985 and Saban never lost the edge. We are close to slipping into mediocrity. Yes, we have tradition, but we do not have the population to draw recruits simply because we are the state team, like Texas..we have to recruit players...convince them to make a difference. Nebraska has tradition as well, but has no population and they have definitely slipped into the land of the mediocrity because they cannot recruit.
Bob is in a comfort zone. The administration will never not support him and the boosters will continue to pay him so long as he keeps a clean program that wins 9 to 11 games.
His assistant coaches are relatives, friends or former players. They are loyal, but not coaching or recruiting inspired football. The fact that none of the present coaches are on any short lists for any head coaching job or even a coordinator position is telling.
Bob can turn this around...but it requires leadership from the top...hands on. It requires eliminating the coasting. It requires recruiting with passion...it requires finding the right leaders, especially on offense, that can lead this team...even if it is a freshman...my honest opinion is you need a QB who can both run and pass, but someone who leads.
When Stoops was hired he recruited and coached with passion. In two years, he had a national championship with three star players and players from another coach. In one year, Sumlin has a Heisman trophy winner and Cotton Bowl championship team that just the year before was mediocre.
Its Stoops choice...the administration, boosters and the fans will not make him do it until it is too late. But we are at a crossroads.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by SoonerJuris 15 months ago
This post was edited by MDellaVecchio 15 months ago
Well stated--let's hope someone is paying attention.
I think you might think too much of him. He was out-foxed 3x this season. First by BS, then by Kelly and now by Sumlin. The game has changed and he has been slow to evolve. For example, it has never been more apparent than it has been this season that it is a severe disadvantage in the college game to not have a run-threat at QB. That is just one multiple ways he has been slow to evolve to a changing game.
Well said sir.
SoonerJuris, great post and I 100% agree.
Alabama doesn't have a run threat QB and they are in the National Championship game. So.....
They have a power running game that allows for play action passing...plus a great defense. A running QB is not the only answer and is simply my opinion, but I would take play action passing offense as well...
.........I would disagree with a couple of points........1) boosters, esp the deep-pocket ones, will be listened to assuming they are see the same trends and tired of getting embarrassed on the nat'l tv ........2) I would question stoops fire and passion to do what is necessary to turn this around.........like you say, he might be 'comfortable' at 5M......
I don't know if there's an organization of all the former ou players but wish they would request a meeting and have a talk with the man
OU is not Alabama and neither are 119 other teams. As soon as OU gets the coaches and players of Alabama's caliber you will have a point. Until then, you should pipe down....
Boosters don't look at one game...they look at the entire program. That is why Mack Brown survives...he won a national championship and he runs, what is believed, is a tight ship.
I am a booster...middle of the pack donor... and believe that Stoops can turn it around. He runs a clean program and he has a good national image. I dont want him terminated (because coaching hires are risky), but while my other booster buddies don't like the loss, few would advocate Stoops leave. Some would argue I am crazy for suggesting we are at a tipping point.
The big boosters...big checks... who have his, Boren's and Joe's ear would never advocate he leave. Understand this...Stoops has control of the program including those boosters who could withhold the checks that matter. Those boosters remember Blake and Schnelly and never want to return.
OU is in the black...few programs are in the black...only when the program slips into the red will they move against him. I dont see that happening.
The Administration is very loyal because Stoops was loyal to them when Florida called...he wanted to go, but stayed out of loyalty to Boren and Joe.
This year is starting to create questions...it begins with the hiring of Mike, the loss of Venables and some very bad defensive performances...now add this uninspired performance. Blowout bowl losses are creating questions, but as long as he wins 9 games he is safe.
I am an optimistic person, but I have posted in the past that I believe next year will be very difficult...new QB, defensive line and linebacker quality is questionable and really no run game. He will have to do one of his best coaching jobs. He is going to have to take chances.
This post was edited by SoonerJuris 15 months ago
Maybe that's a good thing though. Some of his best coaching was when he felt he needed to take chances due to a lack of talent. As we became more talented he got away from that and he's never gone back despite the fact that our talent level has dwindled since its peak in the 2003-2008 range. Maybe we'll get the "Riverboat Gambler" back.
Unless Bob does something different we will not play for the crystal football anytime soon. We have not played for it since 2008 which is the longest we have gone without playing in the title game. This team has become a finesse team unable to pick up a key two yards when we need to. IMHO we should go to a power running game like bama has done. Every other teamin the conference is now playing the same type of offense that we are playing now. So change up offenses to a power game. Lets start running at people and then setting up a play action passing attack off of the running attack. It would help to make us a tougher defense because we would be going against a physical offense in practice. Perhaps we would get back to having some head hunters on defense like we use to have! I really hope you're wrong Juris. It would really be sad if Oklahoma has gone from wanting to win titles to simply being happy with a nine win season and a bowl berth.
.........thxs sj for your post........I wasn't suggesting a firing of stoops........just thought that enough concerned 'big boys' might want to express their concerns to, perhaps, refocus stoops, if need be......like you say, there are some questions......anyway, I'm just an armchair qb/frustrated fan and I thank you again for your knowledge and articulate post. A lawyer, I presume? Have a good off-season.............
This post was edited by RPHDenton 15 months ago
Quoting huge posts really sucks
NOTE: I asked some time back that people stop quoting entire posts in their posts. I have cleaned it up some.
Sounds just like Mack Brown's plan the last couple of years. Easier said than done.
Great post!!! Hard to disagree with any of it.
Hit the nail on the head with this post, SoonerJuris. I'm hoping that the departure of Landry Jones in some way kick starts the staff's fire. Not to bag on Landry at all, but I think his presence may have contributed to the complacency of the last few years. Whoever wins the QB job next year will almost assuredly not be able to sling the ball around like Landry could. Some innovation and changes will happen on offense out of necessity. I'm hoping that spark inspires innovation in other areas of the program as well.
But really, at this point in time, it sure seems like the passion and fire from Bob's early years is going to be hard to re-claim. There has been a lack of excitement and hope around the program since the end of last season. The worst part is that there isn't any immediate reason for hope in sight. Not a ton of young up and coming studs on the roster. Not a tremendous recruiting class coming in either. Not any fresh blood on the coaching staff that might help mix things up. Hard to find an obvious place where the spark might come from.
Great only if we have great oline which we don't. We aren't even average. We can't even recruit an average one. Our oline coach is bad. We will look like old school big 10. Actually the offense we run gives us the best advantage with a crappy line. When we ran the ball last night, there was already 2 defenders in the backfield with offensive lineman standing there watching. We get talent in the oline and we can run any offense.
Thank you for your service and stay classy.
Maniac...I am not predicting this...just writing that I think this is the standard and the program staying in the black...have a good off season. I would love it if my gut feeling was wrong, but I just dont see it unless one of those QB we have never seen is a huge difference maker and can make others play above their head.
Come in brother devil dogs are better than that!
Sooner Juris I think you touched on all the points, and great posts also, I'm in total agreement. IMO 10-3 this year was a pretty good season, it could have been a lot worse. The Baylor, West Virginia, OSU, and TCU games could have very easily been losses, that would have made a 6-7 season with the exception of playing a lesser team in a bowl game.
usmc,sounds like a 20 yr pfc responding!!
Grumpy..you are right on...we could have easily lost those four games...we could have (and should have) won KSU.
My concern is how bad the defense looked this year...especially against A&M and WVU. We could stop neither offense.
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