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What players did OU lose to Ohio State?
So you ask a question, you get legitimate answers but you didnt like those or they didnt fit your agenda so those answers are just excuses. Thats kinda silly. What you really want is yet another thread about how awful our coaches are. Just go ahead and start another thread, title it "Our coaches suck", no one is tired of those!
These kind of posts are getting old. Last year is over and changes are coming.
It's time to move on.
Oh Great, he did!
You do know that the Ohio area is a recruiting hot bed right? Some may even argue that it is the number three region for recruiting behind Texas and Florida while being ahead of California. Why do you talk about Ohio State as if they are a scrub team?
The PROGRAM is not The PROGRAM without The Coach. If it was OU wouldn't have sucked in the 60's and the 90's. OU spent 10 years as the most dominant program in college football then for the next 10 years they were in and out of the top 25. Then another 15+ years of dominance followed directly by oblivion. Thirteen years ago The Coach made The PROGRAM relevant again, because before that for a decade it was a dead laughing stock. People act like you can just fall out of bed at OU and win, but I can give you a long list of people who couldn't win at this Utopia of football. Tradition doesn't do squat for you next year. 100+ wins over the last 10 years did not just happen.
He was a great recruiter, but if you go back through the recruiting services of those days such as "Super Prep" Lemming, Joe (with an Italian last name), "Prep Star" , and several others no longer in existence, between 1972-1987 you won't find OU in the top 10 except for 1978 (which was Barry's best class ever, and one of the best in the country, but not #1). Rivals was a fledging service, ESPN recruiting and 247 Sports didn't even exist yet. Barry recruited great players particularly at the RB, Wishbone QB and DLine positions and one great TE. He surrounded them with good players that were suited for the wishbone What you will find is USC, Miami, Florida State, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, Notre Dame occasionally Texas and even UCLA in the top 10 recruiting classes during those years. Barry was a great recruiter but the recruiting gurus of that era were not in love with the wishbone.
During the 70's I was privileged to be an OU faculty member and I had excellent connections in the football program Before the rules changed I attended recruiting banquets and sent letters to recruits encouraging them to attend OU. I did that even after leaving OU for California and I was involved in a minor way in the recruitment of Stanley Wilson and Jamielle Hollieway
This post was edited by SFValleySooner 17 months ago
While this class has a couple of players that may contribute significantly over the next two seasons(one is the punter), the class as a whole is bit overrated. Many of these players and their early contribution will be dictated more by the schemes employed and injuries to current players, not by overwhelming talent or ability. It is a solid, but unremarkable class and not one you would expect at OU given it success. Expectations should be set higher and realized the majority of the recruiting years. Just saying...
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You're right. But that argument goes both ways. When that great coach doesn't make the assistant coaching moves to stay at a championship level because he's got things on cruise control, then it does become about the program again. I'm a huge fan of Stoops, but there are some painfully obvious weaknesses right now that have to be addressed. And it is the obligation of the fans to demand the best in order for it to happen. I'm not talking about nc's every year nonsense, etc, but just demonstration that the things that need to be done to keep the program at the highest level of competition are being done, so they can realistically compete with an alabama and not get blown out in the cotton bowl by a major recruiting rival. I've been around a while too. I remember what it was like between Barry and Bob, and I'm certainly not calling for Bob's head. At all. But there's nothing wrong with rattling the cages once in a while to remind those in charge to stay on the ball. Recruiting in texas has been going downhill for three years, I, like many on here, thought it was just a moment in time kind of thing, but clearly, it's become the norm. And it has to change, quickly, if we want to play for number 8 anytime soon.
Is ireallydon'tloveou really John Hoover of the Tulsa World?
Perhaps your problem is that you seem to define "excuse" as any explanation other than the one you like......
I was a student at OU from ''74 to '79 and, respectfully, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. One of the first recruiting gurus who ranked recruiting classes was Joe Terranova. I dug out my old guides and here were his rankings for OU:
Also, had there been any recruiting rankings in '75 , OU would have been a runaway no. 1. They signed 13 of the 19 blue chips from Texas as ranked by the Dallas Times Herald. Please don't post anymore nonsense about Switzer not recruiting highly rated classes. He obviously did.
This post was edited by Klein Sooner 17 months ago
tosu also has a great recruiter in urban meyer.
plus i'm told he has 2 great recruiters on his staff
You hit the nail on the head.
That is exactly 99% of the posters on this board.
I'm a real adult fan, not like all you other spoiled babies. You don't know anything about me, but I can make wild accusations about you.
With everything said, it's important to acknowledge the bright spots of this class. The qb, rb, de and db groups are outstanding. The dt group has huge potential, though a boom or bust group. The speed at lb is great to have. Don't see any game breakers at receiver, but Norvell seems pleased. It's the oline class that, well, won't say it.
We didn't play them either, yet they were ranked higher. What's your point? We would love to have most of their class. We didn't recruit against them because we couldn't get interest from their recruits.
It's hard to get out recruited if you do not go head to head. There are many reasons for one class to be rated higher than others without "out recruiting" another team.
Yes, Ohio State’s class is rated higher than OU’s but to say flatly that they out recruited OU is just another easy way to say OU’s staff sucks.
Just like saying they did not get any interest from Ohio High School recruits without knowing if OU was even interested in them is just another very simple statement without any facts.
Over 40% of tOSU’s class came from Ohio. If it’s a good year for highly rated players in their state than they should have a highly rated class because they should be favored to sign those players as the home state team.
Ranking recruits does not appear to be an exact science. Just look at how different the "Services" rankings are from one another.
People are very quick to criticize the staff with very short simple statements without having much information to back their position. That is certainly the case with the OP.
This post was edited by LeawoodSooner 17 months ago
OSU was able to pull 3 of the top 15 players out of the state of Texas, pretty impressive being that they are currently on probation. I love our head coach but when it comes to recruiting he will not beat out Urban Meyer or Nick Saban. Unfortunately, I believe Stoops has taken a back seat to those coaches and has made it worse with some questionable hires, i.e. hiring your old college teammate/ current youth pastor. Stoops needs to get some dynamic coaches that can recruit against anyone. I think we need some changes as it appears our staff has become complacent and some of them are in over their head.
I am sure we will have a good class, but to be happy with being ranked 15 when you sign 24 players is not good. I know recruiting rankings dont mean a lot, but I would still prefer a top five ranked class over a 15th ranked class.
Imagine what Texas fans are thinking about Mr. February and his class. OUCH!!! I think Texas always looked past the results on the field and got excited about the stud classes that Mack was bringing in. That has obviously changed this year. You have to think that Mack is on a very hot seat.
The year that OU signed Leroy, Dewey, Jimbo and Little Joe among others wasn't too shabby either.
SF I hope you weren't part of Stanley's and Jamelle's drug connection to Southern California.
SoonerBlub, I also doubt that's correct. Switzer signed several recruits that were the the #1 recruits in the country, Billy Sims, Eric Mitchell, Marcus Dupree, and another RB out of Illinois Alvin Ross. I heard Switzer say once that Six times he got the #1 recruit in the country. That's pretty impressive in any era, but I didn't keep up with recruiting back then, so I could be mistaken.
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