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I have been arguing with someone for a couple days now about OU and their recruiting in the state of Oklahoma. He seems to think that OU needs to get all players from Oklahoma no matter what. I agree somewhat in the fact that OU needs to make sure they always get the best players for the state and the past has shown that. He likes to point out the number of Oklahoma players back in 2000 and while the Oklahoma players that year were important, that team doesn't win a title without Heupel, Marshall, Williams and a number of other guys. I have been arguing this point for years now even when I worked here at OUInsider.
When you look at the players that OU missed out on from Oklahoma that went elsewhere you have your obvious choices like Wes Welker, Justin Blackmon, Robert Meachum, and Felix Jones but the number of players that did come to OU far outweighs the ones that didn't. The Blackmon ordeal, OU recruited Jameel Owens, another Oklahoma kid, and it didn't pan out. Jones, honestly Adrian Peterson or Felix Jones, who do you want? This small number to me does not outweigh guys like Bradford, Gresham, McCoy, Broyles, Lehman, Lofton, Calmus, KeJuan Jones, Jammal Brown, Reggie Smith, J.D. Runnels, Larry Birdine, Dan Cody, Austin Box, Dom Franks, and Mossis Madu, just to name a few.
My point in all this ranting is simply a question, do you guys think that OU does not do a good enough job recruiting the state of Oklahoma? If not, please explain.
If you go back and look at the state over the years there are 5-8 Oklahoma players worthy of scholarships to OU. I would love for OU early like our junior day to offer 5-8 and tell them we want Oklahoma boys and you are important to us. Tell them we don't want you to rush in your decision but that as we expand our recruiting we cannot guarantee that it will still be there down the road.
We sew up a fourth of our class early on. I really think we need to go back to Switzer days and scour east Texas,Dallas metroplex,and Houston and star sending our coaches there to live in those areas until spring. Be at all the kids basketball games and visit with their coach. We have lost our foothold in Texas. There are plenty Texas players. They are starting at Nebraska,Oregon,Oregon State,K-State,and Wisconsin. We need to recruit harde the kids in our area better. I think we should not abandon the national recruiting but we need to get back to Texas.
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I think we cover the state very, very well...I just wish the state put out a few more 5 star guys each year (and no, I don't mean recruiting rankings...just mean beasts like G Mc, Gresham, Broyles, and of course Bradford).
We slow play kids who have always wanted to be Sooners. They are normally the ones who are on the borderline good enough. They end up grabbing a Tech or Arkansas offer early and commit. We then go look for a Texas 3 star kid to fill a spot.
Any of you wanna be coaches out there who think OU can fill it's roster with in-state kids & be better,.should check yourself into Griffin for a 48 hour obervation!OU gets 5-6 kids from Oklahoma somtimes 1-2 more,but the truth is this state just does"nt produce enough D1 ahthletes.We are not big enough population wise,Sure some kids OU misses on,but we have had alot of OL & WR the last few years from this state that committed & just sucked or quit!!Go Sooners!!!!!!!!
Peace is right about getting back to our texas roots. We're leaving meat on the table that is winding up a baylor,tcu, oregon, bama, aTm etc,etc. National recruiting is ok but the chance of success in getting a kid to come to OU from the south,N.E, left coast is very slim. They like to stay closer to home.
And the junior day for oklahoma kids is a great idea. And you're right too about slow playing oklahoma kids. If I were a oklahoma kid it would piss me off too.
There are 4.5 million people in the Houston metropolitan area now. That is 1.5 times the population of the state of Oklahoma. That's not Texas, it is just the Houston area! There are 66 Region III 5A (the largest class) schools in the Houston region alone plus some of our 5A teams on the north side play in Region II. There are 32 large schools in Oklahoma and 32 more schools in the second largest class. Texas has a similar number of schools in 4A as in 5A. That means the state of Texas has about 8 times as many 5A and 4A schools as the state of Oklahoma. Jenks could play with any of the good 5A Texas schools. But how many Jenks are there in Oklahoma? When the playoffs start in Texas, there are always favorites. But no one is suprised if none of the favorites win the championship or even get out of their region. Pearland Dawson was the state # 1 most of the year in Class 4A. In the second round of the playoffs, they lost to Nederland. Every year has upsets. How many championships in a row have either Jenks or Union won? Back to back champions are a real anomaly in Texas.
I coached in Oklahoma at the top level for 13 years. And the difference in the athletics is not just population. Texas has a much larger percentage-wise of black athletes. Hence, the speed of the game is faster. Track is a much bigger sport in Texas. Hence, the speed of the game is faster. Spring football makes for better football players. High school players in Alabama never take off the pads. (Or at least they didn't used to. I don't know what the 2012 rules are now.) But think of the advantages to that. I live adjacent to the Katy district. There is no school in the state of Texas that puts in more time than the Katy kids. They are at school at 5:30 in the morning and practice before school, during school for one hour and after school. They must attend summer weight lifting and are not allowed to be on the team if they don't. If your kid plays at Southlake Carrol, he must sign a contract that says he will not have a girl friend during the season! When you go to the finals in 5A and 4A, you play six playoff games. That is almost an extra season for your sophomores and juniors if you can play deep into the playoffs every year. And Texas is crowning two champs, big school and little school, in each division. Summer 7-on-7 is a big deal, with teams actually playing for state championships. Weekend tournaments are held all summer long. Hence, you see the number of Texas QB's coming out of the state and going everywhere very successfully. Except of course, for ut! There are several guys who have gone from coaching high school to FBS college football head coaching jobs. How many have done that in Oklahoma?
The people in Texas put more money into the programs. I pay over $5,000 per year in property taxes, most of which go to the local school district. Our kids have wonderful facilities to play on. Who can match Jenks facilities in Oklahoma? I am not aware of a Texas high school head 5A coach who makes less than $70,000 and most make more than $85,000. Defensive and offensive coordinators in Texas teach only one or two classes and in the better programs, they don't teach at all. My last year of coaching in Oklahoma, I made $22,400 at a 6A suburban OKC school and taught four classes. That is less than $2K a month before taxes and I was paying $345 a month for health insurance. Coaches in Texas were making over $40K a year, they got free medical insurance and didn't have to pay 6% social security. I hear posters on this site complain about Bob Stoops' salary all the time. I never hear that complaint from Texas fans. They expect to pay their coaches more. If Mack doesn't show real improvement this year, he will be gone. He knows it and so does everyone else. He knows it because the high school programs in Texas will put it in the coaches contracts!
I think each year we try to get the best players available in state. You can always miss out on local players here & there (Blackmon, Welker, etc) but for the most part we usually get the best in state players. OSU will get some every now and then that OU offers like Peterson(Wagoner) last year but that's not too often.
Meachem was a shock on signing day 2003 when he picked Tennessee over OU. I don't think anyone saw that coming.
I remember back when I was in high school in the early 90's , OU got a lot of the states best but also started losing players to other schools, but not all of these players were offered by OU either:Nebraska(Ben Rutz,Mike Minter,Willis Brown Josh Heskew,Jason Lohr, Jon Rutherford), KState(Kevin Lockett, Devane Robinson), Michigan(Che Foster) , Tennessee(Marcus Nash, Jonathan Brown, Diron Robinson, Raymond Austin), USC(Dwight McFadden).
Back in 1991 Rafeal Denson chose OSU over OU when many thought he was going to be a Sooner.
Back in the Switzer era he lost some of the states best to Texas in Rodney Tate & Jeff Leiding. Leiding became an All American and both he and Tate played in the NFL.
I don't believe OSU has even one in state committment this year.
I do think the fact that OU slow plays kids in their own backyard is ridiculous. Jordan Evans should have been locked up before the season but it took them til November to offer him. Also rember the Broyles saga.
Peace I think you are absolutely correct about getting back to the Texas roots of recruiting. Get the best in Oklahoma and clean up north of the metroplex
Don't you think recruiting in Texas has gotten crowded with the emergence of Baylor, TCU, Texas aTm etc.?
I believe it has been wise to mine CA as there is more talented players and less schools to battle with comparatively.
The best recruiter in college football is winning! The King once said that you need to recruit No. 1 Texas, No. 2 the best of the best in Oklahoma and No. 3 get the best players you can get from the rest of the country. I agree that Texas is the key for the most players. There are excellent players in Oklahoma, but not enough to field a D1 team.
Coach Switzer use to go into Florida, i.e. Elvis Peacock and Buster Ryhmes and California i.e. Steve Sewell to name a few, for players too. He had a eye for talent and was one of the best all time recruiters. He was really close to getting Earl Campbell. Can you imagine Earl Campbell and Billy Sims in the same backfield. I know that Earl was a couple of years ahead of Billy but they did play against each other and if I'm not mistaken, it ended up being a tie or fexas won by 1 point.
You are right, Switzer got a lot of outstanding talent from Florida & California: Peacock, Rhymes, Reggie Kinlaw, Leon Perry , Freddie Nixon, Stanley Wilson, Johnny Truitt, Sewell, & Holieway. Some other Floridians & Californians that have been good players at OU: Ontei Jones, Torrance Marshall, Stockar McDougle, Davin Joseph, Lance Mitchell, Pasha Jackson, Roy Wiilams, & Damien Mackey.
Let's face it Stoops isn't Switzer!!Go Sooners!!!!!!
Evans may turn out. However, even as late as we offered, his only other offer was what? I think New Mex State amd Memphis? I hope he turns out, but their are questions about him, primarily if he is too much of a tweener.
Sewell was from St Louis.
I didn't know Sewell was from St. Louis. Anthony Stafford, Darnyl Walker were and from the same high School. Weldon Ledbetter was also but from a private catholic school.
Sewell was from San Francisco. OU wound up having some problems with So-Cal guys out of his class, but Sewell was solid.
Evans was being recruited by UNM (not NMSU) before OU got seriously involved. Apparently he was a late bloomer, sort of how it used to work with guys at schools like Odessa Permian who went D-1 after only starting their senior year.
peace, the players from texas you see around the country are 7 on 7 types. When did the last Outland Trophy winner come from texas? We aren't having any trouble getting DBs, WRs and RBs. The problem is interior O & D Linemen for both OU and the state of texas. "Camping out" in east tx, dallas and houston will keep the speed players in the pipeline but we have got to start getting some southeastern type kids to shore up the line of scrimmage.............and aside from Joeckel and Mathews there don't seem to be any in Baja Oklahoma.
I go with Switzer, the biggest game for OU is The RRS, you must recruit Texas, Oklahoma then National.
Texas is first!
Sewell is from San Francisco. Stanley Wilson is from Carson, California.
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Andrew IMO regardless of the University your always going to have hits and misses, for the most part OU pretty much gets who they want in state. They definitely missed out on Alvin Bailey the OLineman from Broken Arrow who made SEC all conference and is leavin a year early for the draft, This year IMO they missed out on Robert Boyd from Vian, he's the top rated lineman and a dominant run blocker and a 4.0 student that this team could have really used. It's always going to happen, you just don't know if there's any upside to them after High School.
I know Cap that 7 on 7 has had an effect on things. But TCU,OSU,Baylor have all found some Texas players to play those positions. Sherman out recruited us because Mathews was an A&M legacy and on some others I suspect since Sherman's resume is an NFL coach. Texas has also trounced us at all positions but particularly at the OL and DE positions. They are there but when I said camp out in Texas I am generally talking about being gone. Going to kids basketball games etc. Do you really think we are in the state of Texas? What you do is go recruit kids that you have a shot on. Even with 7 on 7 the population or number of kids from Texas that play in the OL or DL is tremendous. We have a better shot getting kids in our backyard. I just don't think we are.
I believe you are thinking of Anthony Stafford being from St.Louis.
At least you're old enough to remember him.
I'm with you on this one Andrew. Get the players in state that you feel are talented enough to play for you, but you always have to keep Texas as a big pipeline state. What it comes down to is getting the best players available. But, staying in Texas is very critical.
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