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i think you gave them folks way to much credit. BOOMER SOONER
I don't care if you played,coached or more than likely the waterboy.You suck.
I think the concerns of IRLOU are seriously legitimate.
Oh Really, only Sooner fans can read this board.
I'm a real adult fan, not like all you other spoiled babies. You don't know anything about me, but I can make wild accusations about you.
What a well thought out post. It adds so much to the discussion. And the 2 cents at the end, bravo!
I agree with the OP. My apologies. i down voted the original post by accident. Meant to hit the up arrow.
The lack of recruiting success is directly Shipp's responsibility. Jackie is notorious for being very picky or selective with his offers. They are slow to come. That may have been fine up until a few years ago. But recruiting is changing and he is not changing his approach with the times. Manning's recruitment is a perfect example. While Jackie was waiting around A&M and everyone else was offering the kid. That was a huge dis to Manning. I also think Jackie took the kid for granted and didn't work on the relationship enough. Manning has said numerous times that A&M worked harder and developed a relationship with him much better and that he felt much more comfortable with the A&M coaches. That is squarely on Shipp.
Recruiting dynamics have changed drastically with earlier offers and early unofficial visits and the need to develop relationships earlier. Coach Shipp, and to a degree the majority of the OU staff ( except Norvell, Gundy & Heupel) haven't changed along with it.
With that being said, I'd still love to have Manning but I believe the Walker kid that fell in our lap is a better prospect. If he can stay healthy I think he will be an outstanding DT for us.
I do think the fact that they didn't bring in a juco DT last year is a real head scratcher. They had to know how weak they were up front. Just makes no sense. And as far as how difficult it is to recruit, that's just an excuse. I used to feel the same way, but the reality is, OUr coach makes five milllion bucks a year, one of the top salaries in the game, to damn well have the best recruiters he can find to keep this program at a championship level. He has let texas recruiting go into the crapper the last three years. No one, no one looking at that objectively could say anything else. They are going national because they are getting their butts beat recruiting in texas. And look how that's turning out. So, work harder. Hire better recruiters. The program is bigger than the coach. I love this coach, but he has let recruiting slip due to loyalty to some assistants that aren't getting it done. Don't whine about beaches, hire better recruiters.
With all of that said, they're not that far off. A little more physical in the offensive line, and better defensive tackles, and this team would be losing to alabama in the title game.
I don't understand how Oklahoma fans can look at what happened to our defensive tackles this past year & not be concerned about the situation of our defensive tackles going into next year. Now Russell will probably graduate and make it onto campus just fine but those of you who are tearing into the OP have to admit that if he didn't make it in it would not be the first time that a JUCO we were counting on let us down.
Now James has mentioned Wade, Phillips & Peterson along with Quincy. Now that is great if Quincy makes it to OU & none of the other three get hurt. What happens if, God forbid, we get hit with a rash of injuries at defensive tackle?
Most college football fans who follow recruiting know that you are not going to bring in the best defensive tackle in the nation every year but a school with the defensive tradition that Oklahoma has should also be able to bring in one of the better tackles in the nation at least every three years. There is no reason that we should not have a defensive tackle on the all conference team!
The OP has a point and I think it is a good point.
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