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First of all...I come in peace. I hope I'm not rubbing salt in a wound by posting my thoughts because that's not my goal.
I'll keep this short and simple.
I My thought, going in to the game was that the battle would be won or lost in the trenches, even though both teams have very good skill players. I think it was. The only teams all year that we have faced that have held us in check on offense, are teams with fast & physical guys on the defensive line (both Dtackle AND End) and fast athletic linebackers. LSU and Florida in particular had linebackers that could catch Manziel in the open field and limit him from breaking big runs. He was getting 5-10yds gains, if he made it past the LOS, instead of 20+ yds a run. The dline's had fast/athletic defensive ends who could Truly contain him from getting outside and the dtackles where physcial enough to collapse the pocket in the middle so that he HAD to flush outside to the faster LB's and DEnds. Bama had big strong Dends who would collapse the pocket but their DEnds and Backers are more built for power than speed and he still had success running against them, as a result.
Against you guys, we averaged 10.5yds per carry with Manziel and our RB's. That's obviously a reflection of the OU front 7 not being able to win the battle at the Line of Scrimmage. The OU secondary seemed to be the defensive strength but it didnt matter because we rarely had to pass and when we did, there was no pass rush so receivers had time to work their way open....no secondary can cover forever.
When OU was on offense: Same story- the game was won because A&M was able to go to a 3 man front (we're a 4-3 team usually) and still keep OU from running the ball with any real success. We were able to drop more men in to coverage and "keep everything in front of us" because our dline and linebackers handled the run game pretty well. We didnt get a ton of pass rush but we didnt have to because we had the numbers in coverage. It was a "bend but dont break" plan for the most part and it worked because when you guys got in to redzone situations, the field shrunk and that made it easier to defend the pass. This is when you NEED to be able to run the ball and it didnt happen.
Bottomline is that it all came down to OL vs. Dline... In years past, OU has usually won this battle.
Wish yall luck next season! I've always liked OU and yall are one of the few fan bases in the Big 12 that I always enjoyed.
Seems about right to me. Congrats on the win.
.......sounds fair and accurate to me
.......was disappointed in our o suddenly flopping in the second half.......that was the turning point
.......jf is amazing........like a joe washington playing qb.......he was the difference......I think that if you had a 'normal' college qb the outcome would have been more in doubt
.......honest sooner fans knew that our d was going to have trouble with jf......our defense down the stretch was a sieve
.....smart move going to the sec
.....wish you guys still played ut........would have loved to have jf confound the horns and watch mac turn ashen gray on the sideline............btw, you guys should continue the series with them if possible..........tradition needs to live
......congrats and good luck next year.........looking forward to your game at death valley.....jf vs crazy les
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I pretty much agreed with most of what you posted. This paragraph that I've quoted, however, is where I disagree. Now, obviously it is accurate that A&M went to a 3 man front after halftime, but I don't think it is fair to say that the 3 man front kept OU from running the ball. OU ran 9 plays on those three-and-outs and only three of them were run plays. Now, on OU's first series Clay got stopped for a loss on a delayed handoff (a play that had not worked in the first half either). OU did not run the ball on the second series. On the third series OU handed the ball to Millard on first down and on second down and set up a 3rd and 2. Generall, if a team can get to 3rd and 2 by running the ball, that' not too shabby. The issue in those three possewssions was unforced errors. Justin Brown stepping out of bounds and getting illegal touching on 3rd and nine and Damien Williams running a 2 yard route on 3rd and four for example. Two of those three series' ended with unforced errors on critical third downs. Then it was a 21 point deficit and OU had to go one dimensional to try and get back in the game, so the run game had to be pretty much abandoned.
You are 100% correct! It's all about the OL and DL. Not about how wr's we can get..like our idiotic coaches believe
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On this board you must agree with everyone or you're wrong.
Well stirBag, that's about how I saw it too. OU's lines were mostly ineffective and not much linebacker play. That's the view by most OU fans, that OU seriously needs help in the trenches. Something that has to be fixed in the spring and summer or it will be a long and disappointing season next year. Per coach Bob Stoops, “We've got to make improvements in all areas, run defense, pass defense, pressures, whatever we're doing,” Bob Stoops said. “But again, some of it, too, our players have got to make some improvements.”
I couldn't agree more. If we want to be a big time football team again we are going to have to improve our run blocking. We get dominated because our cohesion is off big time when defenses switch up their fronts on us, we struggle.
Great post and spot on. I've always enjoyed the aTm fan base as well. Always enjoyed interacting in Norman and on our trips to College Station. Always fun to hate Texas together. lol. Good luck in the future.
I can see that. But in defense of your coaching staff, OU's biggest advantage was it's ability to pass vs. our suspect pass defense. We had been strong against the run and weak against the pass. On the flip side, you guys were GREAT passing and average running this season. It's easy to second guess them when they didnt try to run the ball more but I can see why OU tried passing it more since it had worked in the first half, moving up and down the field.
I don't have any problem with the play calls on those first three series' in the second half. They should have worked. That pass to Brown on 3rd and 9 should have been a first down. DW should have run his route past the sticks for another first down. The first play of the second half was an 8 yard completion to Shepard setting up a 2nd and 2. The main problem was just unforced errors that OU's offense was avoiding in the first half.
I think the analysis was spot on! But I decided that after watching the game. It really helped that A&M started the same OL for all 13 games, including two junior OT's that are both rated to go in the top 15 picks of the NFL draft. It never helped that we lost Evans and Kasinati for the year. Both guys excell at run blocking. At times, we were really make-shift in the OL this year. I think Adam Shead deserves a medal for his warrior mentality, despite the ankle sprain he fought through.
I don't like the delayed handoffs. Our O-line can't sustain blocks and it gives the DL time to penetrate. Plus, our RB gets the ball from a completely stationary position. That would be one criticism I have of the playcalls on those three possessions.
Yeah, that play did not seem to work very well. Of the 4 or 5 times OU ran it there was only one where the RB had a good hole to run through and the RB missed it and ran into the back of the OL instead.
I agree re the delayed handoffs, particularly when our true freshman center looked like a true freshman at times.
Your post is money! Enjoy your season, and come back and post!
Nice post stir8ag. Solid analysis. We have work to do on defense and have to find us a Johnny Manziel, if another such creature exists in the world.
I must say your fans are among the least trash talking I've ever encountered. In fact, I don't think I heard any trash the whole night, and we sat in an Aggie section. Actually had a nice conversation for about 100 yards that we shared with an Aggie couple as we left JerryWorld.
Good luck next season.
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I agree with Matteon 100 percent.
Really dislike the delayed handoff. Next season OU needs to put the QB under center so he can hand off to a RB running forward. (Novel idea I know but I hear that some Big 10 teams do this.) Of course, on obvious passing downs we could still use the shotgun.
Thanks for coming over and giving your astute and reasonable observations of the game. Very sound analysis.
Congratulations on your win, your great season and hiring an ex-OU coach who will be very successful for A&M. I know he was an ex A&M coordinator too, but he has taken many of the OU processes and attitudes and styles to A&M and they will pay off. Good luck next year!
This post was edited by Boz Vader 18 months ago
Sumlin & Co seem to have the fire Stoops & Co had early on. Great recruiting and top notch game planning. Getting nostalgic...
This post was edited by SoonerVeebs 18 months ago
I didn't watch A&M play this year but what struck me about A&M is nothing OU tried on defense worked. When they just contained, Johnny M beat them with the pass or waited until containment was broken. A couple of times he just made great plays to break containment that appeared to exist.
when they rushed hard, containment was lost and he had big runs.
When OU blitzed, he hit his receivers.
If A&M can consistantly do that, I really don't see many teams beating them. I suspect the A&M will be a little better next year simply because they will be more familiar with the system. They looked great on Friday and OU really looked bad in the 3rd quarterback. I give A&M a lot of credit but also blame OU a bit. They moved the ball all night prior to the third and should have been able to pick up some first downs.
I also really didn't like OU's first goal line stance. Everyone has seen the Belldozer a bunch and OU didn't change anything. Why not act like it is audible and direct snap to Millard when Bell is telling the right tackle the play. Bell, the line and the other linebacker could block and Millard power runs.
Alternatively throw on second down or option with Bell and Millard on the perimeter. Can DBs and Safeties really keep them from falling forward after everyone else is stacking up the middle?
I am not a coach and those may be bad ideas but I am sure OU could have come up with something for that package that was a bit different. Sometimes I think the OU coaches are stubborn.
This is true and has been noted by myself and others for over two years. Really since Patton came. All pass block- no run block. DTs no penetration and THIS year we have a drop off in talent at DE that was obvious!!!
One other thing, OU never even got a good shot on Johnny M. He had the strangest running style. He looked off balance but clearly wasn't. If that guy doesn't get injured, I think he is going to have a huge career.
Excellent post. You were spot on. Congrats on the win. After the first half it was an absolute ass whipping. Your lines just dominated our lines on both sides of the ball. Hang on to Kevin Sumlin, he is outstanding.
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