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Sooner fans have been showing their displeasure since the 41-13 beat down at the hands of the Texas A&M Aggies on Friday in the Cotton Bowl. That frustration has now even set in with former players. On Monday, former Sooner All-American and Outland Trophy winner Jammal Brown, voiced his opinion on KREF 1400 AM during the “The Rush” with Teddy Lehman and Dusty Dvoracek. Brown sent Dvoracek a text message on Friday night after the game saying, “Let me come on your show.” Both Dvoracek and Lehman agreed, and let him on not knowing what he was going to say.
“Man, I'm mad as hell about that game, very upset,” said Brown. “To me, it's a whole mental thing with the team. I played there; I know Coach Stoops and those guys can get it done. But the whole mental aspect of our team is gone.We don't got those guys that will play physical. Guys are soft. All of that, it's just a horrible thing to watch. It don't even look like OU out there. It looks like a bunch of guys running around. It's very disappointing.”
That’s when the mindset of the team was mentioned.
"The guys they've got there are good athletes, because they know how to recruit and what not. But their mindset is all messed up. Those guys are soft. They complain about everything. They wanna get in trouble. Their mindset ain't right. They need to do something about that, man. I know Coach Stoops can get it done. But it just seems like something's holding him back. To me, I think Coach Stoops is the best coach out there. When I played for him, he was a dog. He had that Youngstown swag about him, that gangsta swag about him to go out there and get it done, no ifs, no nothing. Now, I mean, it's just different. I don't know if it's because the kids are whiny now or wanna go tell if they're working too hard, or what it is. But it needs to get back to how it was, plain and simple.”
With the new age of Twitter and other social networking sites, Brown is one that feels it’s a distraction.
"Those guys, I feel like what it's important to them is seeing how many hits on Twitter, or who's seen this or who's seen that. When we were there, success was held really, really high. Big 12 championship? Man, we tried to win a national championship. I hear these guys exciting about sharing a championship, that ain't nothing to be excited about. This is Oklahoma football. We don't share championships, we win 'em outright. That's BS. I would've even gave that back. I ain't about to share no championship. And that's the whole mindset. Y'all are walking around celebrating because you got to share a championship with K-State? Man, get outta here with that. Let Oklahoma State celebrate stuff like that.”
"After that A&M game, when we beat those boys 77-0 my junior year, that next Monday was the hardest practice that I ever had. Because we didn't get enough knockdowns because we squashed so much. We didn't put a drive together because everybody had big plays. Coach (Kevin) Wilson didn't care about that score. Our job was for each person to get 15 knockdowns. It didn't get done, so we had to do up-downs.That was the whole mindset that Wilson installed in us. Guys like Phil (Loadholt), Davin (Joseph), me, he knew how to coach us. He knew how to get the best out of us. He knew how to keep us motivated. He didn't let us get lost in the world of Twitter and being in college and this and that. Coach Stoops was the same way. He always kept me hungry. He always pushed me. I just feel like they don't push guys like that no more. I don't know if it's because who the kids are now, who knows. But I think that type of coaching needs to come back."
It’s not the just the fans who are frustrated these days, its former players as well.
This post was edited by Tyler McComas 18 months ago
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Listened live and it was a great interview. It really shows how far things have gone since the early 2000's to now with the players and coaching staff. I had a meeting today and thus a 45 min drive during the noon hour. I had the opportunity to listen to Saban's NC press conference. I'll be damned if that guy didn't have me wanting to jump through a brick wall just listening to a press conference. I want that kind of fire. We don't have to win every game for goodness sakes but I want to see E-M-O-T-I-O-N on the sidelines from the top down to the players. This finesse mindset has to go. You win this freaking game with a dominant OL and DL and you don't need to chuck the rock 60 times a game to be successful. Was there one play during the NC game where you were saying to yourself the big strike will pay off? The answer is no, Bama sucks the life out of you like a python because they are tougher, faster, and have better schemes. It's not about one quick hit, this isn't MMA it's a 4 quarter 60 min game about imposing your freaking will.
This post was edited by smitty1515 18 months ago
It's not a good sign for the state of your program when you have former players speaking out like this.
Absolutely not and it's the coaches and players faults. At the end of the day however it ultimately falls on the door step of the big boss man making the big bucks to right the ship. Something tells me JB sees what is going on as the last thing he ever expected with this program as the head man has gotten a little complacent and training, game plans, mentality, expectations, etc have changed.
Tyler I would love a follow up with JB in 2-3 weeks to see if he still feels the same way or if a lot of what he says was spur of the moment frustration. It would also be great to know what he thinks specifically needs to change (i.e. schemes and mentality)
I greatly appreciate the copy of the interview you posted.
......it's the state of things currently, and it's good to have the former players speaking out......would like to have them all hold a sit-down with stoops and players for a one-way conversation
We don't have all the same Coaches here now when Jammal played. And Stoops doesn't seem that hungary Dog mentality about him now. Mike Stoops doesn't seem quite the same since coming back from Arizona. Maybe being fired from the Arizona head coaching job affected him and he not as sure of himself now or what defensive schemes we should be in, etc.
I don't know, but things are not right and I hope that Bob Stoops re-looks at the Staff, the Players, the Offensive and Defensive schemes, especially the defensive side of the ball, as that is where we are bad.
Need to look at our overall Recruiting and how we Recruit, including how we sell OU. Because other schools seem to be doing a better job at it than OU.
I appreciate Jammal Brown attitude and he is a great Sooner, that loves the Sooners.
OU program appears to be on a tipping point. It can go either way at this point. IMHO
I just don't see Stoops reinventing himself at this late stage of his career. He is in maintenance mode and I seriously doubt he can turn it back on. Mack Brown tried with new coaches and it is still not apparent whether he will survive. Both had a great ride but it is time for both to go as they got complacent.
2013 pre-season ranking of 21st! Which way do you think it is tipping?
Was that game any worse than USC game that Browns team was whipped like a bunch of soft and mentally weak players? Brown was great in that game, but he was the only one on that team. I would say the USC game was much worse it was for the NC and they got their ass handed to them from the get go 55-19. Hell they even had one of the best football players (Peterson) to ever wear any jersey on there team. So does he really have a lot of room to talk? Hell at least this team hung around until halftime so they showed more toughness then that team did. Brown was a great player, but his teams failures are very well documented and he seems to have all the sudden forgotten them. I'm not saying this program doesn't have any issues because it certainly does in a major way, but Brown has no room to talk on this subject in fact his group started this trend in the program of failure on the big stage.
This post was edited by SoonerManChild 18 months ago
"With Nebraska trying to leave, we felt like we needed to send them out with a loss, and we did." -Ryan Broyles-
Realists say no $hit. Sunshine pumpers won't like it though
On this board you must agree with everyone or you're wrong.
I'm not glad that former players are speaking out because it shows just what kind of condition our program is in...but I'm very glad former players are speaking out! I just hope the coaches are listening.
Yes we had a bad game that night. However three out of the last four years this team has had its ass handed to them by at least 28 points! We got lucky to beat wv. Hell we only played three teams that had our talent level and all three beat us with two of those losses at home! The team that beat us in the bowl game by 28 we beat last year by 16. This team is going backward! We haven't played for the crystal football in four years and unless a miracle happens after next year it will be five years! We back our way into the conference co-champs this year. We have won ONE out right Big 12 title in the last four years.
Our defense was a joke this year! Hell I think "Boo" Blake's teams played defense better than we played this year!
This post was edited by OUManiac 18 months ago
Very well put by Mr. Brown.....I feel like putting the pads on now...he calls it like he sees it.
Dude, please don't compare Mack to Stoops. No matter how bad things are, Stoops has still owned Mack despite far less talent (at least according to recruiting rankings). It is a mistake to assume Stoops can't get it done. He hasn't faced this kind of adversity before, but he is a total competitor. That's why we love him. I believe he will address the problems. He has no choice.
The solution is simple to me:
1. SCRAMBLING QUARTERBACK - who cares what the risks are. That's what it takes in the spread. Otherwise go compete in big boy ball with Saban. And good luck with that.
2. Stop missing on DL prospects. Flip of a coin.
3. Recruit playmaking Linebackers.
1 & 2 are on the coaches. 2 isn't quite so easy.
Couldnt agree more!! Way to go jamal!
I remember a thread a few weeks ago where i got completely riduculed for saying i didn't accept the shared conference championship. You know who you are who said "the players work hard", "this is the same as a solo championship" blah blah blah. Well here it is for you. From JBs mouth! Its a mind set. WE ARE OKLAHOMA! WE DON'T SHARE CHAMPIONSHIPS!
we have lost that and we have to gdt it back! I feel like we are rocky three when rocky is running on the beach w apolo and he just doesn't have it anymore. And apolo is screaming "whats the matter with you?!?!?"
We have to get our fight back! We got punched in the mouth friday, forget that... Clubber lang, spider rico, ivan drago, and apolo all beat the dog bleep out of us friday. We have got to wake up!
"The way I figure it, everyone takes a beating..."
1. Easier said than done...
2. Yeah Ok
3. Linebackers are not going to come here as long as we stay in a hybrid 4-2-5, they just dont get to play, the "2" are typically Safety sized OLB's who are one step too slow nickel backs. No Stud "true" LB's are going to come here and get "fashioned" out of their position... or not play.
Thanks for posting Tyler. I agree with what Jammal had to say. I also would add to it a bit. I think the new players we have coming in and who redshirted this year may be an upgrade- especially on defense.
Anotther word i hear floating around is "entitlement" just because guys before you won a lot of games doesn't mean your entitled to win just as big. You have to earn it every single year.
Agree the 05 SC game was no better than last Fri...and really worse as crazy as that sounds now albeit that SC team was loaded. We had no business given the talent we had getting beat like that and the team quit. However for the whole year that season prior they played with fire for the most part and on both sides we were a lot more physical then which is the most glaring issue to me with the recent teams. I just dont see the finesse style bringing home the crystal balls which is what we care about.
I thought the same thing as well at first but I feel that this has been a pattern developing the past few seasons as far as a mental toughness/swagger with these teams . That 2004 team had some tough SOB's on there: Brown, Davin Joseph, Wes Sims, Vince Carter, AD, J.White, Runnells, Clayton, Dan Cody, J.Jackson, Lance Mitchell, McGruder, Ingram, Gayron Allen, Perkins, Pool, Nicholson, Dennison .
I too see the nonchalant attitude. I think the cali guys, except for Clay , have a laid back attitude and it emulates to the whole team. Arent they our leaders for the others to look up too and show how its done? And James alluded that they were not good practice players. Meaning they didnt practice as Jamaal just described. They dont have the fire described. And the whole team plays like that. I'm not trying to say the cali trio is the problem but it sounds like they are a part of it and definately now the answer for righting it.
At any rate, I agree with his assessment it doesnt really matter pointing fingers. Doesnt matter who shot john. He is still dead no matter who shot him.
The first thing to do to fix a problem is first to recognize you have a problem. You cant fix it if you do not admit its there.
Then formulate a plan of action.
I think we are down to the plan of action. Any thoughts.
Fire Stoops, fire Patton , demote him, isnt the answer. Its a culture thing. A Winning Culture. It needs to be brought back. Its not here now. Thats what Jamall is saying. Doesnt matter whose fault it is. When it is back the other parts will fall in place.
First there needs to be a meeting of the minds. the AD, Pres, Bob, and maybe a committee of former players. Switzer too maybe? Current players ? Determine a goal. Assess the current situation. Formulate a plan to achieve the goal.
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