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I'm likely to get flamed for this but I have to say from all accounts it appears that OU will be going through a down period for the next couple of seasons. Wilkinson went through it. (heck he even had a losing season). Barry went through it. (he had 3 four loss seasons from 1981-1983 and folks wanted him gone). Now Bob has lost another bowl game, his coaching staff appears inept, recruiting is struggling, players are getting into trouble and no help appears to be on the horizon. Our OC is obviously in over his head and our defense isn't anywhere close to where it needs to be. And on top of that, next season we will be playing with a new QB and a schedule that contains 11 bowl teams. I don't see a 12-0 record next season. Thoughts?
Based on what I've seen the last two years, I'd get ready for a steady diet of 8/9 win seasons and trips to 3rd tier bowls. The defense simply can't improve enough over the course of a single off-season to make much of a difference...things are in pretty bad shape on that side of the ball. The players we have are who they are and it doesn't appear that there's much help on the horizon. Offensively, I think we'll be OK provided we adapt the offense to maximize Bell's skill set and get tougher up front. If we can't run the ball more effectively moving forward, we will struggle even more so than in the past.
Can't disagree with much of that.
I don't think our OC is 'obviously in over his head'. Our offense was good this year with a patchwork OL that sustained a crazy number of season/career-ending injuries.
Agree with your comments on the defense. Fine, the talent isn't fantastic at DL or LB, but the X's and O's have been (from a layman perspective) confounding.
Not sure whether to agree with recruiting - I get the feeling that we're struggling with some of our top picks, but on the other hand Stoops' classes have always been heavy on prospects who were overlooked by others and turned out to be stars.
Programs ebb and flow. I agree that we may not see as many championships in the short-term but we'll be back; that said, there are certainly additional challenges that have presented themselves, namely the emergence of A&M and TCU as recruiting competition who take the UT leftovers and occasionally poach a stud like AD.
I trust in Stoops and there's no doubt that our administration does, too.
I agree with everything you have said, no flaming from me. The talent level is at an all time low under Stoops. I would love to see some fire in this team, but something is lacking. A couple of staff changes may be in order, but then the question becomes who. I am just not sure what the solution is. I still believe in Stoops and would never want him gone, but he needs to look in the mirror and try and figure out what happened to this team. Is it due to hiring friends instead of true coaches who can recruit and coach, I dont know. However, I do know, something is amiss, next year could be a 7-5 up to a 10-2. I say 10-2 not because we will have a good team, but because the conference looks to be down next year. The 3 best QB's in the league might very well be on OSU's team. They will no doubt have the best offense, but thank God there D will most likely stink again.
I think we need some leaders to step up, not just vocally but also with their play on the field. I just dont know who that is right now.
I think all schools go through it, but the hand writing has been on the wall for a couple of years - recruiting has not been what is was, coaches don't seem to know their jobs(how to make adjustments), tougher competition for players, and maybe our coaches are hungry enough.
I just don't see much more than a 6/6 or 7/5 season next year - I'm not so concerned about the offensive line but the defense has some real major problems that are not being addressed or corrected and that is coaching.
I can't disagree. I think we had issues all year and aTm and Oregon were the two teams that could most expose those problems. Now, it is all out in the open and we will see how long it takes to fix. aTm's offense may be the best in the country, right now. But, although their defense is good, it isn't so good that it should hold OU to 13.
For Bob to fix it in a couple of seasons may require some serious changes.
This post was edited by jimnrh 15 months ago
Consider...if we had played Florida in the Sugar Bowl instead of A&M in the Cotton...might we be talking about one of Stoops' "best coaching jobs" of his tenure instead of demanding drastic changes to staff? Part of me thinks so.
I disagree somewhat. While our recruiting on D seems suspect, we did get Russell a very good DT. Plus our DE play next year s/b much improved. Tapper could be exceptional and he is large. DT IMO will be better and we may yet pick up another Juco. Our biggest issue on D will be replacing our secondary losses, even worse if Colvin leaves. I think having a moblie QB will make our O lethal. Had we had one against the Aggies and ND we would have stayed in both games. A mobile QB would have taken advantage of the 3 man fronts. LJ simply did not pose any running threat allowing D to play more pass coverages against us. If Colvin stays, I actually think we will be a better team in '13, qualified by MS doing a much better job with his D schemes. They were simply awful this year.
Agreed. Why can't we run the ball anymore, even for a yard when we need it?
I agree with the OP, if changes aren't made. But its not too late. Lets look at A&M, for example. Last year, they had their annual middle-of-the-pack 7-6 Big XII team. They made major changes, got themselves a young vibrant and hungry coaching staff, finished their first season in the SEC at 11-2 capped off with a whipping of OU, and next year will be one of the favorites to win the National Championship. A lot happened in one year's time with A&M's commitment to making meaningful changes. OU can do the same thing, if Bob Stoops will do it.
if Bob Stoops will do it.
You think our offense was good? 'Good' is a relative term. Yeah we scored 50 against WVU but they came into that game giving up an average of 51 over their previous five games. So we are par for the course there. We scored 45 in regulation against OSU but how good was their defense? A true measure of a 'good' offense is how they fare against good defenses. And the answer to that question was "not very well". Sure, you can't expect 500 yards and 40 points against good defenses but a 'good' offense scores more than 19,13, and 13.
As to the administration's trust in Stoops, I couldn't care less because the administration's chief (sole?) concern is money. And the football program is swimming in it right now.
I agree. I don't see Bob making any changes on the staff until we actually go through a couple of 6-6 or 7-5 seasons and he feels his job is on the line. He has three excellent assistant coaches in Norville, Gundy and BJW. I'll give Mike a pass until he puts his own personnel in based on his pre-Arizona record as our DC.
There are large question marks about the rest of the staff including the S&C coach.
bob needs to take a page from switzer's book.
the story goes .......after going thru 3 four loss seasons , barry had a meeting with his assist. and told them if they didn't get off their lazy asses then someone was going to be fired and it wasn't going to be barry
I am particularly concerned about the OC.
Relaxed, laid back family atmosphere has led to complacency and lack luster coaching and player performances. Talent may be down some but with proper coaching and game planing you do not get trounced like we have of late. Why would you be so arrogant as to think you do not have to mix it up to keep on top?
You're right, it is a relative term. Relative to other teams in Division I-A, we are #12 in yards per game. Pretty good. And remember, going back to my post, I said that the offense was "good...with a patchwork OL that sustained a crazy number of season/career-ending injuries". Clearly we would have been an even better offense with Habern and Evans.
Now you're asking about what we did against quality defenses, and I'll take that to mean any team which ranks in the top 50 in Total Defense:
6. Notre Dame - 379 total yards - 13 points
17. TCU - 421 total yards - 24 points
39. Texas Tech - 380 total yards - 41 points
43. KSU - 386 total yards - 19 points
Not world-beating numbers, but I'm not ashamed of them. I recall moving the ball well in each of those games, and in particular I think our points total in the KSU game should have been much higher.
Bottom line, yeah...good.
Looking at next year's schedule what game can't OU win? KSU will not be as good. Notre Dame loses 4 of 5 starting lineman, the starting TE, the Stating RB and two starting WR on offense plus one starting DE, two starting LB, a starting safety. ND also loses a few backups. OU crushed Texas and Texas loses some key players.
Pretty rosey.... You did a good job breaking down player losses of those teams, now do it for us.
Yep, I've just totally given up on the whole thing.
But, if someone is selling season tickets in section 5 or 6 let me know I could be sucked back in.
You know, Switzer had three four-loss years in a row 81-83. Everyone wanted him gone. He proceeded to refocus and win a title in 85. It is wasnt for Miami, he might have won a few more.
Tom Osborne became head coach of Nebraska in 1973. He didn't win a title until 1994! Then he won two more in '95 and '97, for what was then an unprecedented 3 out 'o four (looks like 'bammer may do it tonight).
Bob is a great coach. He just needs to get pissed off and get that Okie -backed-in-a-corner attitude, and come out swinging. If he doesn't, then fire his arse. But, changes will hopefully be made rapidly and we'll be back - and soon. The prospect of losing to Notre Dame again next year is extremely discomforting.
Your comments are felt by many! I live in a large city where many many OU alumni and OU fans live. The normal buzz of the fan base is not the same as it once was. I never thought I would ever be open to a major change in the coaching staff, but it is getting close. I was at the game sitting in the middle of thousands of A&M fans. It was amazing how many comments were being stated by older A&M fans (30 yrs and older) about the quality of some of the present players and especially the present OU coaching staff . These statements were not being made by a bunch of drunk A&M fans. Obviously, Barry's comments made about the present recruiting success made the press. Hopefully, we will not lose the ones who have already committed to OU. I will hope and keep my fingers crossed for a better end to the 2014 Bowl Game.
If Bob's down period is "coming up," we are in terrible shape. I hope most on this board would see the last 4 years as a trough for this proud program. We were last among the elite of CFB the night we played Florida for the national championship.
Isn't that what what we've already been doing? Other than Fiesta vs UConn which was still the result of a two loss season our bowls have been crap and our records have been crap. Can it get worse? You bet cha. '05 and '09 are a distinct possibility next year. '03 was the last time we went undefeated in the regular season. OU is the "big dog" in an over rated conference. Still clocking 2-4 losses every year. I can't decide if the media over rating us every year is a good thing or a bad thing. It's like not going to the doctor when you know you're sick.
Skip I have to agree with you, IMO he's he's only made one good hire since Kevin Wilson, and that's Jay Norvell, Josh is in over his head, the Patton, Kittle,and Kish hires don't look good for the future, and we'll see if Mike Stoops still has anything left in the tank.
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