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He also has my Jags taking Moore the DE from Aggy at #2 which better not happen!
Anyone that has Geno Smith in front of Landry needs their head examined.
Totally agree with that!
While I believe Kiper isn't qualified to analyize anyone in sports he has occuppied a nich in the recruiting game for a long time therefore giving credibility to his words. That said, he has no idea where NFL teams will place Landry on their boards. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Landry taken late in the first or second rounds. A lot of teams are in need of acurate throwers and tall QB's. Not saying Landry will be, but, where did Mel have Tom Brady ranked ?
"It's better to have tried and failed than to never have tried at all." FDR
In my opinion, Kiper does a great job. He is entertaining and him and McShay help make the draft interesting. Certainly, he is wrong on occassion(i.e. Claussen over Bradford) but, usually, he knows what he's talking about.
I'm glad James is starting to come off his 1st round guarantee that he gave Landry last year. Like I said then and still say today, not going to happen!
I believe Landry will be drafted between the 4th and 5th rounds. He will be a career backup. Which is one of the best jobs on the planet.
Some of these "NFL draft experts" also love to make odd predictions just in case they get lucky and are proven correct. I still haven't forgotten, back before the 1987 college football season, when one "expert" said that Keith Jackson was only the second-best TE prospect. Their top guy was from Texas A&M - Rod Bernstine. He was good, but Keith was WAY better in college and the pros both.
I think Landry might end up in AZ or Buffalo. For his sake, I hope Dallas does not consider him.
If Landry Jones slips to the 3rd round, some team is going to get a bargain! Landry Jones can throw the ball and is deadly accurate. It seems to me that most NFL teams throw the ball first and mix in a few running plays to keep the defense honest. A team like the Cardinals who desperately need an accurate passing QB will probably take a hard look at Landry Jones.
You are too knowledgeable, it is almost like you played a game or two in your day...lol. I had RG111 as a solid quick fix at QB but knew the grind and exposure would get him killed before seasons end. this running QB business may miraculously work throughout a 12 week season at the college level but will doom your NFL team in the end, Johnny F better get his passing game down because he is a vicious hit away from his team wondering why can't number two get it done. We had a better than adequate QB healthy for the best part of four seasons but could not put it together as a team for a whole season as a team, not Landry's fault. Just a few plays in any aspect of the game being undefeated in a season or two IMO.
Jimbo that's wantabe small minded little arm chair qbs.
Geno may go before LJ because he is a much better runner . However I think LJ is the better passer. Geno can look good throwing the ball for most of a HALF, then make a horrible throw or two sometimes more. I know every QB makes bad throws from time to time, but some of Genos are really bad!
The one throw I think LJ needs to work on from the pocket is the back corner fade, where he tries to drop it in over the top. He seems to over throw that pass badly most of the time. On the other hand, he can throw the back shoulder in the end zone no problem. I think he will go late 1st or second round, unless he looks horrible in the senior bowl. If he goes 4th or 5th round I will be totally shocked. I would love to see him go late 1st or mid to late 2nd to a very good team, that has a good O line. I don't want to see him get sacked 10 to 15 times a frickin game like Sam. BOOMER FRICKIN SOONER!
I have been doing pre-production for the NFL Network and draft day for a few years now. Last year I had several scouts say that Landry's stock had actually dropped from 2010 to 2011 and they were concerned that another year in college would only expose more flaws for an NFL quarterback. These same scouts are telling me that 2012 did just that. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me but the career stats they had in front of them on Landry were (roughly) In his 4 years Landry Jones quarterbacked 215 touchdown drives, 50 of them were in the 2nd half. HIs TD % in the redzone if less than 70%. That percentage rose after the implementation of the Belldozer formation.
Jones may have the best mechanics of all the quarterbacks coming out this year. However he is scouted as a QB who unconsciously takes time off during the game. His quality of play drops as the game moves on and as the season moves on. If he can get drafted by a team that is run oriented and he is asked to throw the ball roughly 20 times a game he may succeed in the NFL. His decision making is definitely in question by the NFL scouts.
Thanks for the insight.
There has been so much bashing of any poster that dared to have the same opinion of those scouts. Those scouts aren't safe either. Remember, those guys were wrong about Ryan Leaf too.
I agree that Jones hurt himself the more he played. I think Sooners saw improvement overall every season, but his flaws didn't improve much, and it gave the scouts more examples to analyse.
Other QBs with flaws have been drafted pretty high too, but I think in today's game the inability to make a play when the play breaks down will doom a team's offense. I don't believe there are many teams that will invest much in a QB who just can't move and adjust. Esecially when teams are showing success with the opposite.
Again, I think Jones as a backup isn't a bad deal when you can get him for cheap. I just doubt he is in too many teams' plan as a starter.
How many times in the second half in games did OU pull in the horns? That stat is meanlingless because whenever OU got a a lead it was run, run, pass then punt more times than I care to remember but that is a fact anyone watching OU play can not deny and that had nothing to do with Jones' numbers.
I expect better from you sports.
It sure fits his MO of having stretches in the middle of games where 3 and outs or early stalled drives killed our momentum whether we were ahead or behind.
The observation of those stretches by Jones and OU from scouts is spot on. It's one of the main complaints of the so called Jones haters for 4 years.
Unfortunately those are the thoughts of many NFL scouts. Understand that the NFL is a business and that business is winning game and championships. They look for Quarterbacks who can make it happen even in bad situations. Case in point. West Virginia was Landry Jone's first 4th quarter comeback win in his career. When discussing his career FSU and OSU of 2010 and West Virginia of this last season are the only games where Landry Jones just took over games and played an entire game. Here are some examples:
-2009 OSU in Norman. Sooners up10 -0 at halftime, Sooners get 4 first downs in the 2nd half and 1 sustained rive tat results in a TD.
-2010 Air Force in Norman: Sooners up 10-3 at halftime. Jones goes 7 of 16 and produces 4 first downs with 5 2nd half 3 and outs in an eventual 27-24 win
-2010 at Cincinnati: 17-9 at half. 7 of Jones' 11 2nd half completions are for 3 yards or less, he throws an interception and the offense sputters with 4 3 and outs in an eventual 31 - 29 win. One of the 2nd half TD's was a 5 yard drive after a fumble recovery.
-2010 Texas at Dallas: Soners up 21-10 at half. Jones goes 4 of 11 with 2 fumbles and only 4 first downs in the 2nd half.
-2011 at Baylor, while he did throw for 485 he threw 1 pick and no TD passes.
-2011 at Oklahoma State No TD's, 2 int's and a fumble for a TD the other way.
-2012 Baylor in Norman: up 28-17 at the half: Jones goes 6 of 15 creating only 4 second half first downs.in an eventual 42-34 win
-2012 Texas A&M at the Cotton Bowl. A&M up 14-13 at the half, Jones throws 9 of 18 in the second half, no scoring drives and only 4 first downs.
These are not the only games they have listed. Landry is a nice little Quarterback but he definitely dropped in his draft stock this year.
This post was edited by sportsproducer1 18 months ago
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