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Big 12 issues statement on AD meeting *

  • One year moratorium on broadcasting high school games on LHN but additional conference games on LHN still in play.

    http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=205235905

    It is time to make plans on leaving the Big 12 because no long term issues are resolved. Go now when OU has all the leverage.

    This post was edited by James Hale on 8/2/2011 at 7:09 AM

    LoneStarSooner

  • Don't see how we can go now if this is what the ADs agreed too.

    And I don't care if Texas and Iowa St is on the LHN, nonetheless, how did UT have any power in this?

    Deep Red

  • Boulder Sooner said that neither the NCAA or the Big 12 could prohibit high school games from being telecast on the LHN because it was wholly owned by ESPN and was no different than ESPNU. I said that was ridiculous. Care to weigh in Boulder Sooner?

    Klein Sooner

  • I don't really understand the part of only a one year moratorium. Why wouldn't it be for perpetuity?

    yeahyeahyeah

  • yeahyeahyeah said...

    I don't really understand the part of only a one year moratorium. Why wouldn't it be for perpetuity?

    Texazz and ESPN has more money and better lawyers......

    wilsonIII

  • yeahyeahyeah said...

    I don't really understand the part of only a one year moratorium. Why wouldn't it be for perpetuity?

    Because NCAA will rule or make a rule within the next year. Doubt it will be allowed by NCAA. On the radio today they said the NCAA meets on the issue in September.

    This post was edited by OURover on 8/1/2011 at 9:40 PM

    OURover

  • So when we get our own Sooner Network are we going to have the same problems with the other teams in the Big 12?

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  • James I think you are reaching when you make the statement this will never go thru, it is 50-50 at best with each passing day that it will happen.

    There is no strong case that this conference will even stay together with the issues of the TV network and revenue sharing.

    And yes ESPN will take on the big12 and win if they want to. The Big12 right now is not a strong conference like the SEC, Big10 and PAC12 simple as that.

    KingDaddy

  • One angle not explored is the freedom of speech issue.

    One argument for the LHN are sites like these where high school football players are interviewed and glorified during their recruitment. The fact that the Big 12 allows this site and others and these sites can attach YouTube videos of players shows an acceptance of the Big 12 AD's for spotlighting high school football players even video of high school players.

    The difference is that most of the Big 12 teams have a site if not more than one.

    To now argue that LHN cannot take it to the next level with a station will eventually be challenged. Texas made a pact with a for-profit company that needs sets to tune in...looping the Mac Brown show will not suffice. If the LHN wants to broadcast high school football games they will and make their argument based on illegal censorship...First Amendment.

    They gave us a friendly pass this year, but if the network needs the revenue they will do what they need to do. This will not end well unless every school gets a station...I dont see that happening.

    SoonerJuris

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  • 100% agree with Juris ..

    the Big 12 AD's resolution is a joke .. they have as much legal control of content on LHN as they do on ESPN ESPN2 or ESPNU ..

    now will espn give in a delay high school game just to not rock the boat? maybe but that would be there choice not something forced by the big 12

    lonestar .. a few problem with your logic ... Texas has no risk with the LHN .. they own 0% of it .. espn is carying all the risk .. right now texas has the best of both worlds they have their own network and they have the conf revenue as well ..

    This post was edited by BoulderSooner on 8/2/2011 at 9:17 AM

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  • Lone Star Sooner,

    UT won't go independent in football because it would relegate all of their other sports programs to a lower status. They would have no major conference to compete in and the other sports can't compete at a high level as independents. And Boulder, you are beyond comical. You have been proven wrong and you are still sticking to your story. UT obviously realizes that the Big 12 conference can control whether or not the LHN can televise high school games and that is exactly what has happened. I suspect that when the NCAA studies this issue that there will be a permanent ban. It's obvious that televising the high school games would give UT an additional recruiting advantage. Now, UT has had their way with the NCAA in the past so I never discount the possibility that they could be cut some special deal that wouldn't be allowed for OU. However, in this case, I don't expect that to happen. There are too many eyes watching this.

    Klein Sooner

  • SoonerJuris said...

    One angle not explored is the freedom of speech issue.

    One argument for the LHN are sites like these where high school football players are interviewed and glorified during their recruitment. The fact that the Big 12 allows this site and others and these sites can attach YouTube videos of players shows an acceptance of the Big 12 AD's for spotlighting high school football players even video of high school players.

    The difference is that most of the Big 12 teams have a site if not more than one.

    To now argue that LHN cannot take it to the next level with a station will eventually be challenged. Texas made a pact with a for-profit company that needs sets to tune in...looping the Mac Brown show will not suffice. If the LHN wants to broadcast high school football games they will and make their argument based on illegal censorship...First Amendment.

    They gave us a friendly pass this year, but if the network needs the revenue they will do what they need to do. This will not end well unless every school gets a station...I dont see that happening.

    SoonerJuris

    They are a voluntary member of the NCAA and B12. It is not a freedom of speech issue. They have voluntarily agreed to comply with the regulations and bylaws of each.

    OURover

  • Klein Sooner said...

    Lone Star Sooner,

    UT won't go independent in football because it would relegate all of their other sports programs to a lower status. They would have no major conference to compete in and the other sports can't compete at a high level as independents.

    Klein - You are mistaken. UT has already plotted its course for independence in football and you have to look no further than their future schedules for confirmation -- long-term series with both Notre Dame and BYU as well as other higher profile games on the horizon. It is all about dollars and UT football far out-produces all other sports combined. Need another salient point as proof - read the LHN contract with ESPN that gives ESPN right of first refusal to bid for all of UT's tier 1 rights. Sure the LHN could fail but once carriage is established, the dollars will lead UT towards independence.

    They will join a conference for their minor sports and that may end up being the Big 12 if other member institutions are lax in seeing the writing on the wall. The remaining members will have extremely water-down revenues from their tier 1 rights while UT still has a home in the Big 12 for all minor sports.

    Get it? That's their gameplan.

    LoneStarSooner

  • Lone Star Sooner,

    You are entitled to your opinion, but that is not UT's gameplan. They need to be in a major conference. Their arrogance is pushing them to see how far they can go, but they know they need OU and A&M. Being independent in football is no longer a potential panacea. Notre Dame is still a holdout, but its really not working for them anymore. They could make more money as part of the Big 10.

    Klein Sooner

  • SoonerJuris said...

    One angle not explored is the freedom of speech issue.

    One argument for the LHN are sites like these where high school football players are interviewed and glorified during their recruitment. The fact that the Big 12 allows this site and others and these sites can attach YouTube videos of players shows an acceptance of the Big 12 AD's for spotlighting high school football players even video of high school players.

    The difference is that most of the Big 12 teams have a site if not more than one.

    To now argue that LHN cannot take it to the next level with a station will eventually be challenged. Texas made a pact with a for-profit company that needs sets to tune in...looping the Mac Brown show will not suffice. If the LHN wants to broadcast high school football games they will and make their argument based on illegal censorship...First Amendment.

    They gave us a friendly pass this year, but if the network needs the revenue they will do what they need to do. This will not end well unless every school gets a station...I dont see that happening.

    SoonerJuris

    Sites like these are not affiliated with their respective universities. UT is directly affiliated and is the direct beneficiarly of this espn network. That is a HUGE difference than what you are describing.

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  • OURover said...

    They are a voluntary member of the NCAA and B12. It is not a freedom of speech issue. They have voluntarily agreed to comply with the regulations and bylaws of each.

    They can and will sue based on the NCAA overreaching their mandate. JUST like OU and Georgia suing and winning against the NCAA demanding a monopoly over television appearance allocations.

    capclay

  • Klein Sooner said...

    Lone Star Sooner,

    You are entitled to your opinion, but that is not UT's gameplan. They need to be in a major conference. Their arrogance is pushing them to see how far they can go, but they know they need OU and A&M. Being independent in football is no longer a potential panacea. Notre Dame is still a holdout, but its really not working for them anymore. They could make more money as part of the Big 10.

    If you have already signed a contract for $300 million with ESPN for only your tier 3 media rights, being independent can work for you. UT tier one rights could be north of $1B.

    Notre Dame being independent isn't working out only if NBC does not renew their contract. If Notre Dame gets a renewel or another offer, they will stay independent.

    This post was edited by LoneStarSooner on 8/2/2011 at 12:17 PM

    LoneStarSooner

  • SoonerJuris said...

    One angle not explored is the freedom of speech issue.

    One argument for the LHN are sites like these where high school football players are interviewed and glorified during their recruitment. The fact that the Big 12 allows this site and others and these sites can attach YouTube videos of players shows an acceptance of the Big 12 AD's for spotlighting high school football players even video of high school players.

    The difference is that most of the Big 12 teams have a site if not more than one.

    To now argue that LHN cannot take it to the next level with a station will eventually be challenged. Texas made a pact with a for-profit company that needs sets to tune in...looping the Mac Brown show will not suffice. If the LHN wants to broadcast high school football games they will and make their argument based on illegal censorship...First Amendment.

    They gave us a friendly pass this year, but if the network needs the revenue they will do what they need to do. This will not end well unless every school gets a station...I dont see that happening.

    SoonerJuris

    So then why do fan-owned websites get in trouble for and possible implying university sanction by linking to official stats pages or posting certain images? Just remove those links and images and the NCAA has absolutely no problem. This website is affiliated with 24/7 and neither endorsed by or granted exclusive rights by OU. To my non-legal self, that is the biggest issue.

    And I swear Boulder's account has been hijacked by either DeLoss Dodds or Mack Brown. Coca-Cola is a premier partner for OU athletics. OU isn't the only school they support and they have other interests besides college football - just like ESPN. Let's say Coke designed a line specifically for OU and then offered this product for free to select towns or schools. Although they are an independent company simply contracted to provide a service to OU, somehow the towns/schools that get the free OU product line all have a student either verbally committed to OU or are a high priority target of OU coaches. How is this not considered undue influence by a booster and deemed illegal by the NCAA?

    ESPN and UT have to abide by the same rules as the rest of the country. Yes, this network may be breaking new ground but so did text messages and social media. That doesn't mean anything goes or prior statues cannot be amended - see publication rule cited by aTm.

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  • Heck just go to the PAC 12 and make it PAC 16

    vgsooner

  • Lone Star,

    How many cable sites have signed up to carry the LHN? ESPN could have made a big mistake. It happens. The network isn't even generating much buzz where I live in Houston. When you throw out a number like $1.5 billion I think you are dreaming. Even if UT went independent, half of their games would be away games which they would probably not have the right to televise. And I believe it has been shown that Notre Dame would probably generate more television revenue if they were part of the Big 10 rather than having their own contract. Now UT can obviously generate more revenue on their own than what they could being in the Big 12, however, I thought it was ludicrous when I heard what ESPN was offering UT. I am not sure they adequately thought this through. I have a large number of Longhorn friends and most of them don't want to add to their cable bills to watch a steady diet of women's sports and lesser men's sports, as well as the assorted non-sporting events that are going to shown. There is a limit to Longhorn hysteria. But there is that annual campus gay volleyball tournament. I am sure that will attract the viewers and advertisers.

    This post was edited by Klein Sooner on 8/2/2011 at 1:44 PM

    Klein Sooner

  • To me all they have to do is simply change the name. ESPN may own the network but having Longhorn in the name gives the appearance of being affiliated with UT. Why not call it the Lone star network , Big Twelve, Red River Network? To me the name is the issue. Instead of paying Texas why can't ESPN pay all the schools in the big 12 an equal amount, and have a very good selection and variety of sports all across the conference.

    Ship Driver