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A&M Informally Withdraws from Big XII

  • http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/30/sports/ncaafootball/texas-am-closer-to-withdrawing-from-big-12.html?_r=2&ref=sports

    Likely to be official tomorrow.

    This post was edited by kwest2 on 8/29/2011 at 10:32 PM

    kwest2 ●

  • I hope the Big 12 responds by adding 3 fair to excellent teams and we continue to be ALMOST as good top to bottom as the SEC. What many on here don't realize if you eliminate the emotionalism, the Big 12 has the 2nd best bowl record of major conferences over the last 10 years.

    This post was edited by hooknladder on 8/29/2011 at 10:51 PM

    hooknladder

  • Good for them for standing up to the greed and arrogance of Texas! I wish them well!

    MannaSooner

  • Gee I don't know...I'd rather stand up to the greed and arrogance of Texas by kicking their ass every year. Eh? You Betcha!

    hooknladder

  • Good luck Aggies. You're gonna get your butts handed to you, and those fans in Baton Rouge and Gainesville may not be as polite to your squad of all-male cheerleaders, but good luck to you anyway. Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

    PS Thanks for the 15-20 mil. Too bad you couldn't keep it. Maybe you could have bought yourself some real cheerleaders...

    soonerdowns

  • hooknladder said...

    Gee I don't know...I'd rather stand up to the greed and arrogance of Texas by kicking their ass every year. Eh? You Betcha!

    While they cash in 15 million more a year than you and further extend their recruiting advantage with their network. Yea if your A&M that's not happening or most teams for that matter. Texas is basically getting even richer off the backs of the rest the conference and then laughing and saying piss on you.

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    "With Nebraska trying to leave, we felt like we needed to send them out with a loss, and we did." -Ryan Broyles-

    SoonerManChild ●

  • The times ahead will be interesting for certain, as the SEC will have to fill a 14th slot, and could potentially fill a 15-16...then the UT would hit the fan! This could be a simple BYU replaces A&M, or the start of something far bigger.

    Lets hand them another slaughter in Norman this season as a going away gift!

    Sooner5020

  • hooknladder said...

    Gee I don't know...I'd rather stand up to the greed and arrogance of Texas by kicking their ass every year. Eh? You Betcha!

    Yeah, not sure how this equates to "standing up" to the Longhorns. Yknow, if they actually started beating Texas 50% or more of the times they played them, they might not be seen as their little sisters. But I guess instead of manning up to the challenge it's easier to turn tail and run. Now they just get to be the little sisters to Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

    Aggies... can't live with em (evidently!), can't shoot em.

    soonerdowns

  • It's just totally off base to try and incorporate on-field results into this topic. The outcomes of the actual football games or the conference bowl records are entirely irrelevant.

    Matteon

  • Matteon said...

    It's just totally off base to try and incorporate on-field results into this topic. The outcomes of the actual football games or the conference bowl records are entirely irrelevant.

    Really?

    wilsonIII

  • wilsonIII said...

    Really?

    Yes, really.

    This is about money and stability within the conference. I've seen plenty of posts by numerous people suggesting or flat out stating that A&M (and Nebraska for that matter) is moving for some reason related to or derived from outcomes of football games. That's just silly.

    A&M is moving because they are better off in the SEC. The idea that A&M wants to avoid playing Texass so it is jumping into a division with LSU and Alabama is flat out stupid. The same for those who insist Nebraska left because Texass wone the head to head matchups, as if Nebraska would move conferences because they lost a few games to Texass and jumped into a conference where they'd be playing Ohio State, Wisconsin and Michigan all the time. That simply makes no sense.

    The Big 12 is a shitty place to be unless you are Texass, or some small market team whose only other option is a mid-major conference (KSU, ISU, Baylor, etc.). Nebraska, Colorado, and A&M understand this. Once A&M is in the SEC all three of those schools will be in a FAR better place than they were when they were members of the Big 12. They will enjoy more stability and more money.

    Matteon

  • Matteon said...

    Yes, really.

    This is about money and stability within the conference. I've seen plenty of posts by numerous people suggesting or flat out stating that A&M (and Nebraska for that matter) is moving for some reason related to or derived from outcomes of football games. That's just silly.

    A&M is moving because they are better off in the SEC. The idea that A&M wants to avoid playing Texass so it is jumping into a division with LSU and Alabama is flat out stupid. The same for those who insist Nebraska left because Texass wone the head to head matchups, as if Nebraska would move conferences because they lost a few games to Texass and jumped into a conference where they'd be playing Ohio State, Wisconsin and Michigan all the time. That simply makes no sense.

    The Big 12 is a shitty place to be unless you are Texass, or some small market team whose only other option is a mid-major conference (KSU, ISU, Baylor, etc.). Nebraska, Colorado, and A&M understand this. Once A&M is in the SEC all three of those schools will be in a FAR better place than they were when they were members of the Big 12. They will enjoy more stability and more money.

    Yep.

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    hoodleehoo

  • Completely agree with Matteon.

    SoonerFromDal

  • Matteon said...

    Yes, really.

    This is about money and stability within the conference. I've seen plenty of posts by numerous people suggesting or flat out stating that A&M (and Nebraska for that matter) is moving for some reason related to or derived from outcomes of football games. That's just silly.

    A&M is moving because they are better off in the SEC. The idea that A&M wants to avoid playing Texass so it is jumping into a division with LSU and Alabama is flat out stupid. The same for those who insist Nebraska left because Texass wone the head to head matchups, as if Nebraska would move conferences because they lost a few games to Texass and jumped into a conference where they'd be playing Ohio State, Wisconsin and Michigan all the time. That simply makes no sense.

    The Big 12 is a shitty place to be unless you are Texass, or some small market team whose only other option is a mid-major conference (KSU, ISU, Baylor, etc.). Nebraska, Colorado, and A&M understand this. Once A&M is in the SEC all three of those schools will be in a FAR better place than they were when they were members of the Big 12. They will enjoy more stability and more money.

    That all sounds great but the A&M fan base will change their tune quickly when they average six wins per year for the next two decades. I don't disagree that, from an administrative perspective, it is a good move. But we all look from a fan's perspective...and A&M fans aren't going to be very happy during football season any time soon.

    Hudson310

  • WOW!

    jackman

  • Hudson310 said...

    That all sounds great but the A&M fan base will change their tune quickly when they average six wins per year for the next two decades. I don't disagree that, from an administrative perspective, it is a good move. But we all look from a fan's perspective...and A&M fans aren't going to be very happy during football season any time soon.

    On what do you base your 6 win theory?

    Outside of LSU, Alabama, and Florida (who will be in a different division), who do you think will be consistently stronger than A&M to keep A&M at 6 wins? Do you reallyt think A&M will constantly lose to Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Mississippi, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina, Georgia, Auburn, and Arkansas? Sure, A&M will lose to some of those teams some of the time, but to think all of those teams will consistently beat A&M makes no sense. None of those 9 programs are powerhouses in any way.

    Matteon

  • This has been the plan the whole time. I don't get why some people were saying this is embarrassing for aTm

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    OUinLA

  • Matteon said...

    On what do you base your 6 win theory?

    Outside of LSU, Alabama, and Florida (who will be in a different division), who do you think will be consistently stronger than A&M to keep A&M at 6 wins? Do you reallyt think A&M will constantly lose to Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Mississippi, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina, Georgia, Auburn, and Arkansas? Sure, A&M will lose to some of those teams some of the time, but to think all of those teams will consistently beat A&M makes no sense. None of those 9 programs are powerhouses in any way.

    How about the fact that they've been good for an average of about six wins per year during the 2000's in the Big 12? Between 2000 and 2010, their overall record is 72-63, which works out to an average record of 6.55 wins and 5.73 losses. They have not been to a Big 12 championship game during that span and they have won exactly two bowl games since 1990. I would tend to think that their success level would not improve upon joining a tougher conference.

    Hudson310

  • Matteon said...

    On what do you base your 6 win theory?

    Outside of LSU, Alabama, and Florida (who will be in a different division), who do you think will be consistently stronger than A&M to keep A&M at 6 wins? Do you reallyt think A&M will constantly lose to Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Mississippi, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina, Georgia, Auburn, and Arkansas? Sure, A&M will lose to some of those teams some of the time, but to think all of those teams will consistently beat A&M makes no sense. None of those 9 programs are powerhouses in any way.

    Out of those teams, Vanderbilt is the only one I can see ATM beating consistently. At best they'll be 50% with the rest over the course of a decade. Those teams don't look that tough playing other SEC teams, but they look pretty good when they get a chance to play outside the conference!

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    hoodleehoo

  • Yes Really. I applaud a&m for looking at the future and seeing that being in a very unstable conference just isn't in their best interest. This is the second time a&m has seen a conference crumble because of the manipulation by uterxass.

    I don't see a&m's move to the SEC as an act of cowardice but just a positive move to the future. I don't predict great football success in the SEC but this move is about all sports and about getting out from under uterxass.

    Job well done and good luck. It's not very often we get to see someone stand up to the whorns.

    OURICH

  • They haven't been having great years in the Big 12 and yes the fanbase has been unhappy.....nothing will change on that front. But a&m will be playing in a better conference and will be making more money.

    OURICH

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