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3 cornerbacks, 2 defensive ends, and a 190 lb. linebacker*

  • Answer: Who are OU's defensive commitments for the 2012 recruiting class?

    Does anyone else find this alarming? According to the WWW we are currently recruiting only two additional defensive players: Mario Edwards and Colin Blake (although Stephon Diggs could play CB as well as WR).

    I'd say there's a 50% chance that we end up getting neither Edwards nor Blake. If that happens, we will have recruited a sum total of six defensive players in the 2012 class. Six! And this makes sense because....?

    This post was edited by Dave Hunt on 12/28/2011 at 9:40 AM

    soonerdowns

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    oufreak11

  • I think it reflects an overall philosophy that we can win the Big12( or whatever it will be called) w/o great DT and w/o big LB's and that will get us to the BCS championship game and there maybe our offense will out score the opponent.

    You have to win your league first to get your shot and to do that in the Big12 you have to be able to COVER, at least that is what I feel is the belief at OU.

    It is kind of the situation the Big 10 is in. To win in their league you have to be really big upfront and at LB but when they get against the offensive speed of the SEC the get exposed

    We are just the other way around we get exposed as being too light and get run over.

    I think that is why the SEC wins they can play both ways on defense and both ways on offense( fast or powerful) because of the abundance of athletes they get in the south.

    I think the goals for OU are in this order

    step 1 beat Texas
    step 2 Win the Big 12
    step 3 Get to a BCS game
    Step 4 Get to the BCS Championship Game

    I am with you it is alarming that we are getting roasted on defense 3 or 4 times a year and yet we just keep stockpiling WR and DB that we beef up to play LB abd LBs that we beef up to play DE.

    I wish we did it the other way around get DT that are fast enough to play DE, DEs that are fast enough to play LB LB that are fast enough to play DB.

    tyresooner

  • Look at Corey Nelson's weight when he came in from highschool he was 195 maybe 200. Point being that OU can obviously beef these kids up, and coach them to be great players! Not to mention that he was named to the SI AA team. He may not be highly rated but is a great player.

    This post was edited by soonerborn26 on 12/27/2011 at 11:19 PM

    soonerborn26 ●

  • Striker is a high school AA, but I am sure we can find better. Let's recruit by weight. Who needs film, just a scale...weigh em and sign em..

    This post was edited by OURover on 12/27/2011 at 11:25 PM

    OURover

  • soonerdowns said...

    Answer: Who are OU's defensive commitments for the 2012 recruiting class?

    Does anyone else find this alarming? According to the WWW we are currently recruiting only two additional defensive players: Mario Edwards and Colin Blake (although Stephon Diggs could play CB as well as WR).

    I'd say there's a 50% chance that we end up getting neither Edwards nor Blake. If that happens, we will have recruited a sum total of six defensive players in the 2012 class. Six! And this makes sense because....?

    Good evaluation is the key. We can build them up and speed them up once we get them on campus.
    But if they don't have the heart and work ethic it doesn't matter how big, strong or fast they are.
    The coaches have a good record of evaluation.
    We offer and recruit but many times they say no. Name of the game.
    Once they are on campus if they quit on us, fail to stay elgible, or refuse to work for their playing time then I will become alarmed.

    poisonivy

  • OURover said...

    Striker is a high school AA, but I am sure we can find better. Let's recruit by weight. Who needs film, just a scale...weigh em and sign em..

    locoHaha im kinda glad you dont recruit for us!

    soonerborn26 ●

  • OURover said...

    Striker is a high school AA, but I am sure we can find better. Let's recruit by weight. Who needs film, just a scale...weigh em and sign em..

    I think you're missing part of my point. We have only six commits on the defensive side of the ball.

    soonerdowns

  • You guys did know I was being sarcastic, right? 2 down votes say you didn't. :-)

    OURover

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    James Hale

  • soonerdowns said...

    Answer: Who are OU's defensive commitments for the 2012 recruiting class?

    Does anyone else find this alarming? According to the WWW we are currently recruiting only two additional defensive players: Mario Edwards and Colin Blake (although Stephon Diggs could play CB as well as WR).

    I'd say there's a 50% chance that we end up getting neither Edwards nor Blake. If that happens, we will have recruited a sum total of six defensive players in the 2012 class. Six! And this makes sense because....?

    Not happy with you Soonerdowns because of last weekend exchange, but I do agree with this post. Also, I would like to see us beef the LBs but this year's recuit is 195, so screw that. Venables is killing what could be at OU.

    soonerdaddy

  • OURover said...

    You guys did know I was being sarcastic, right? 2 down votes say you didn't. :-)

    Oh I know you were being sarcastic. Lol it was pretty obvious. I just wanted to keep the discussion on point. I'm not so concerned with Striker's size as I am with the fact that we currentlly have six defensive commits for 2012.

    It's possible my choice of title was misleading. For that I must apologize. However, on the plus side, any members who are currently around 6'2" 240 and who missed the sarcasm in your post might have for one fleeting moment thought that Bobby Jack Wright was about to call and offer them a scholarship to play football at the University of Oklahoma as part of their new recruiting philosophy.

    soonerdowns

  • soonerdaddy said...

    Not happy with you Soonerdowns because of last weekend exchange, but I do agree with this post. Also, I would like to see us beef the LBs but this year's recuit is 195, so screw that. Venables is killing what could be at OU.

    I appreciate the honesty. Thank you, SD.

    soonerdowns

  • Off the top of my head, here are players that haven't or have barely seen the field that will contribute heavily the next few years: Chike Ndulu, Geneo Grissom, Jordan Wade, Jordan Phillips, Rashad Favors, Aaron Franklin, PL Lindley, Marquis Andersen, Joe Powell, and Kellen Jones. I think the coaches know what they're doing.

    This post was edited by CrimsonMarc on 12/28/2011 at 2:50 AM

    CrimsonMarc

  • CrimsonMarc said...

    Off the top of my head, here are players that haven't or have barely seen the field that will contribute heavily the next few years: Chike Ndulu, Geneo Grissom, Jordan Wade, Jordan Phillips, Rashad Favors, Aaron Franklin, PL Lindley, Marquis Andersen, Joe Powell, and Kellen Jones. I think the coaches know what they're doing.

    I can't pull names off the roster but I agree that the coaches know what they're doing.

    Cover 2

  • CrimsonMarc said...

    Off the top of my head, here are players that haven't or have barely seen the field that will contribute heavily the next few years: Chike Ndulu, Geneo Grissom, Jordan Wade, Jordan Phillips, Rashad Favors, Aaron Franklin, PL Lindley, Marquis Andersen, Joe Powell, and Kellen Jones. I think the coaches know what they're doing.

    Now Marc, don’t you know by now the coaches do not know how to manage the roster and only recruit to lose.

    LeawoodSooner

  • CrimsonMarc said...

    Off the top of my head, here are players that haven't or have barely seen the field that will contribute heavily the next few years: Chike Ndulu, Geneo Grissom, Jordan Wade, Jordan Phillips, Rashad Favors, Aaron Franklin, PL Lindley, Marquis Andersen, Joe Powell, and Kellen Jones. I think the coaches know what they're doing.

    You're right. We had plenty of cornerbacks ready to step in when Jamell Fleming got hurt and we had absolutely no personnel problems at safety this year. Plus thank God we had a couple of defensive ends ready to step in when Ronnel Lewis went down and Frank Alexander couldn't lift one arm over his head. Oh, and how about that huge push we got from our defensive tackles this past year!

    Sheesh, everyone is so sensitive right now. Bring up even the slightest question or criticism of our coaching staff and the McCarthy's of the board are quick to jump in. Just because I question our defensive personnel and coaching decisions does not mean that I am a Whorns fan or that I drink rice grain vodka while reading Mein Kampf in my spare time.

    A practical request for you: Please tell me how you feel that we had enough depth at cornerback and safety this past year. It is my opinion that an aspiring championship team should have at least one backup cornerback capable of playing at a much higher level than our third CB demonstrated this past year. I also feel that a title contender should not have to move their starting outside linebacker/nickelback to safety as their first option for a backup safety. Or, if you want to look at that player as a true safety, an aspiring contender should not have to play him at linebacker just because there is nobody else at that outside linebacker/nickelback position who can cover anybody.

    What are your thoughts? Rather than the standard "Red Scare" retort about how the coaching staff knows what they're doing and I should go back to Moscow (err Austin), how about you explain to me why it is that you feel we had sufficient depth of athletic and overall playing ability on defense this past year. I'd love to hear your analysis.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by soonerdowns on 12/28/2011 at 8:33 AM

    soonerdowns

  • I'm pretty rough on Coach Shipp, but he does have some young guys coming up. If he can get them up to speed technique wise is the question?
    BJR is fantastic with DEs, and I believe he has gone out and found replacements that can contribute.
    LB is still in question because I simply don't believe in BVs scheme?
    This is just year two for Martinez.

    Mysterio1

  • I guess Stoops should check this board before he starts recruiting since he doesn't
    know what he is doing. C'mon Really!

    jim4ou

  • OURover said...

    Let's recruit by weight. Who needs film, just a scale...weigh em and sign em..

    Rover, your philosphy seems to match extremely well with my experience on match.com

    Just weigh em and date em, the pictures seem to always be out of date anyway.

    NCJIM

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  • poisonivy said...

    Good evaluation is the key. We can build them up and speed them up once we get them on campus. But if they don't have the heart and work ethic it doesn't matter how big, strong or fast they are. The coaches have a good record of evaluation. We offer and recruit but many times they say no. Name of the game. Once they are on campus if they quit on us, fail to stay elgible, or refuse to work for their playing time then I will become alarmed.

    We need to target more players that can come in from high school and compete (and start) immediately. It's one thing to "build them up" so they can compete after riding the bench for two years, but that philosophy hasn't exactly worked as of late.

    I want the Sooners to win as much as the next guy, but it is very alarming that we don't seem to bring in and sign the elite players lately.

    Without any injuries next year and with only the commitments we currently have, does anyone on the board feel we are a slam dunk to win the Big 12 next year? Or better yet, make the MNC game?

    If it isn't a slam dunk to say Hell Yes we'll do those things, then we aren't recruiting well enough.

    NNicholson

  • Mysterio1 said...

    I'm pretty rough on Coach Shipp, but he does have some young guys coming up. If he can get them up to speed technique wise is the question? BJR is fantastic with DEs, and I believe he has gone out and found replacements that can contribute. LB is still in question because I simply don't believe in BVs scheme? This is just year two for Martinez.

    THIS^^^^^

    If we get better play out of the upcoming DT's. Then our defensive scheme will work A LOT better than it has. Yes this is where it all starts with Coach V's scheme. This is what gets the LB's in better position and also allows the DB's to make more plays also. IT ALL STARTS HERE! Now..... this is a big if they can come in and change the up front push!

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    DLPSOONER

  • We shouldn't be overly concerned with our class. Stoops knows what he is doing and if not, he can ask them to leave.

    HPSooner

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