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  • I am considering alternative certification. Teachers, yay or nay?

    TIMB0B

  • TIMB0B said...

    I am considering alternative certification. Teachers, yay or nay?

    They will call you scum...And you won't be a "real teacher." argue

    pbc2003

  • pbc2003 said...

    They will call you scum...And you won't be a "real teacher."

    No they won't.
    There are many, many teachers who started with an alternative license. And being honest most that I have seen were good teachers.
    After your first year you are not an alternative license teacher anymore. Your license is just the same and says the same as anyone else after the first year.

    No one cares as long as you do a good job. Sure there are probably a small few (very small) who might hold that over your head but unless you tell them yourself they should not and will not ever know anyways.
    Like I said you have the same license as them after the first year.

    This post was edited by TundraSooner on 12/15/2010 at 2:54 PM

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  • TIMB0B said...

    I am considering alternative certification. Teachers, yay or nay?

    What do you do now?
    My first response is to say don't do it. But depending on what your other options are, it might be worth it.

    jjsooner73

  • Wait...it's called "year round" school but you are off for 2 months? That doesn't sound too much different than what they have now right? 3 months off in the summer?

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  • pbc2003 said...

    I am anxious to hear from parents and teachers as to how you feel about this. I have never taught at a year-round school but there are pros and cons to it, I am sure. Discuss.

    Oklahoma teachers are mandated to work so many days per year. It matters not when those days are scheduled. Schools can also opt to add days if they so prefer. Overall, the teachers that I know that teach in OKC are not too upset about the year-long schedule. It seems to be somewhat more popular than the old schedule.

    This post was edited by okiegirl on 12/15/2010 at 8:50 PM

    okiegirl

  • nisakat2 said...

    idiot? really??

    i have the utmost respect for teachers. i couldn't do it. but it is the job they've chosen. and yes , the have more time off than any other profession.

    Yeah, it's the job they chose, thank God. It's just too bad there isn't more incentive for teachers outside of the so called vacation they get.

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  • If you’re interested in OKC schools you need to know this and you also need to know they have already fired significant numbers of staff in OKC. It sounds like they will be firing many more, perhaps many hundreds more. The firings seem to be more about money rather than getting better staff in place, because it sounds like more than a few have been fired without due process and regardless of the quality of their work and regardless of age / seniority.

    OKC public schools are a dumping ground for problem kids that have been expelled from other school districts.

    IMHO things will never improve very much until discipline is restored and until the parents are held more accountable for their kids actions.

    I don’t understand how this won’t eventually be tested in the courts.

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101209/ap_on_re_us/us_school_turnaround
    Thu Dec 9, 6:21 pm ET
    SEATTLE – The federal government has enticed 730 schools across the nation to reinvent themselves this school year, and nearly a third have chosen the most difficult paths to get a piece of the more than $500 million set aside for transforming schools where too many children are failing to learn.

    "This is tough, tough work, but it's desperately needed," U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan said Thursday.

    Most of the schools fired their principals and changed their entire approach to learning this school year, while others replaced much of the staff. Yet Duncan said "there's been no drama about it. Folks have moved with an urgency that's sort of fantastic to watch."

    The lack of drama was in sharp contrast to a couple of early school invention efforts, including one in Central Falls, Rhode Island, where a high school's entire teaching staff was fired in February and got their jobs back in May after community protests.

    To get federal school improvement money, schools in the bottom 5 percent of those not making adequate yearly progress under the federal No Child Left Behind law must choose from among approaches to turn around student test scores. The program is voluntary.

    The approaches include: closing the school and moving kids to other buildings; restarting a traditional public school as a charter school; firing most of the staff and starting over with a new team; or firing the principal and taking a new approach to learning.

    Duncan's preliminary report on the success of the program noted that 71 percent of participating schools chose the fourth approach, called transformation.

    Another 21 percent replaced the school principal and at least half of the teachers. About 3 percent closed down the school and 5 percent are restarting.
    Union leaders said Thursday that the program became less controversial as school district officials started collaborating with teachers instead of blaming them for their problems.

    "Our members are excited. They want to make a difference in these schools," said Dennis Van Roekel, president of the National Education Association, the nation's largest teachers union.

    Not every school has chosen to involve teachers in their transformation plans, Van Roekel said, but he predicted long-lasting success won't be possible without teacher engagement and collaboration.

    Regardless of which improvement model they choose, Van Roekel said success also requires community and parent engagement, effective school leadership, more time for learning and staff collaboration, social services for children, and conditions that attract educators to the most needy schools.

    His message to administrators who haven't involved teachers in their planning: "It's never too late."

    The school improvement grants are spread across the country and distributed among urban, rural and suburban schools. Of students in the affected schools, 44 percent are African American, 34 percent are Hispanic, 16.5 percent are white, 2.5 percent are Asian and 2.2 percent are Native American.

    Nearly half the schools implementing one of the improvement models are high schools, 24 percent are elementary schools, 21 percent are middle schools and 7 percent are some combination of the three.

    In two schools in Marysville, Wash., the district initially planned to fire the principal and redesign its education plan. But more than half the teachers at Tulalip Elementary said they didn't have the energy or the time over the summer to make sure their "new" school was ready to open in the fall.

    So instead, most of the teachers and principal were replaced — many were moved to other schools.

    That made it possible for the school to get more money to pay for the more dramatic change, said Arden Watson, president of the Marysville Education Association.

    Tulalip Elementary, which is located on an Indian reservation, now has a strong focus on Native culture.

    But the main changes at Tulalip are the same ones taking place at schools across the country: a longer school day, more time for teachers to plan and collaborate, smaller classes, thoughtful examination of student improvement data, onsite professional development, and extra help for students struggling in math and for those behind in reading.

    "The work is not easy in any way. We're moving forward, though. We feel like we're on the right path," said Judy Albertson, the district's school improvement facilitator.

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  • Another note--any of you teachers (or spouses of) get sick often? I've never been sick as often as those 5 years I taught. I kept thinking I'd build up immunity, but never did. Pneumonia (2-3 times), strep, sinus infections, bronchitis. I was sick most the second semester my first year with pneumonia. I missed two half days and 2 full days during that time, was on antibiotics for something like 42 days, and pretty much slept 24/7 for a week after school ended. I had a professional portrait taken the day I was dx'ed for our Teacher of the Year program (I was beginning TOY for my campus) and I look like HELL. I was also enrolled in 9 graduate hours and managed a 4.0. I think I just killed my immune system because it was never the same until I wasn't teaching anymore.

    Anyhow, not really on topic...just another job hazard of the classroom. :)

    jjsooner73

  • jjsooner73 said...

    Another note--any of you teachers (or spouses of) get sick often? I've never been sick as often as those 5 years I taught. I kept thinking I'd build up immunity, but never did. Pneumonia (2-3 times), strep, sinus infections, bronchitis. I was sick most the second semester my first year with pneumonia. I missed two half days and 2 full days during that time, was on antibiotics for something like 42 days, and pretty much slept 24/7 for a week after school ended. I had a professional portrait taken the day I was dx'ed for our Teacher of the Year program (I was beginning TOY for my campus) and I look like HELL. I was also enrolled in 9 graduate hours and managed a 4.0. I think I just killed my immune system because it was never the same until I wasn't teaching anymore.

    Anyhow, not really on topic...just another job hazard of the classroom. :)

    Teachers can catch most anything from their students.They are also so busy during the year working ballgames, fund raisers, after school meetings, parent-teacher meetings, professional days, conferences, etc. that don't get enough sleep. Teaching is exhausting and it is no wonder they are sick. Many work sick, which isn't a good idea. Some teachers have to miss school because of children, elderly parents, etc. Take your vitamins, get plenty of rest, eat properly and hang in there!

    okiegirl

  • TIMB0B said...

    I am considering alternative certification. Teachers, yay or nay?

    I am in my first year teaching in Texas, and I went the alternative certification route (had been an attorney). Depending on your background and area of interest, in can be tough to get a job going the alternative route (indeed, it can be hard finding a job with standard certification, particularly in areas like elementary ed). I didn't have a problem, but I teach advanced physics, and there just are not many people with the knowledge and ability to teach that subject (and most of them are alternatively certified). I managed to get a very good position at a good school teaching all advanced courses, but I would be lying if I said that was the norm. My wife, by contrast, who is also switching from the law to teaching, has had a much harder time finding a job as an elementary school teacher despite having top grades from an Ivy undergrad and a law degree with honors from a top 10 law school. There are just so many applications for elementary school positions, and schools have to show a preference for fully certified teachers, so she ultimately decided to student teach and get a standard certification (kind of a cross between alt cert and getting standard cert the traditional method while still in college; she took the alt cert classes but did student teaching like traditional certification candidates). She just finished up and will be looking for a job for next year.

    SoonerBeau