O'Connell's Off Topic

It's all part of the political wave. He's been down and out of voters' minds. This puts him back up.

So Obama says one thing to get elected then goes 180 after the election?
I am shocked. Why do voters keep allowing politicians (I know, Obama isn't the first) get away with this.

So much for:
Transparency
Posting legislation for 5 days before he signs.
Broadcasting the legislative process on CSPAN.
Bi-partisanship. (Dems won the 2008 election - Republicans live with it, go to the back of the bus)
Bi-partisanship. (Republicans won in 2010, now they should compromise with me in the spirit of Bi-partisanship)
Republicans need to be more civil in their discourse. (If they bring a knife to a fight, we'll bring a gun)
I don't know the facts of the situation, but the police acted stupidly.
The government has to balance their budget just like American families have to. (cough, cough)
I am not the President of the blue states or the red states, I am the President of all the states.
American families can cut back in lots of ways, like in eating out less or taking fewer vacations. (Got Air Force One ready yet?)

Ok, I'll quit because I am just going to make the cool aid drinkers even more upset.

Hmm interesting. Congress passes a law. and the executive branch decides on it's own without judicial review by the supreme court to deem it unconstitutional and not enforce the law.

This sets a very bad president Picking and choosing which law to enforce is a very slippery slope and circumnavigates the balance of power this country was built on

Sends a very negative message

Thank you..........it needed to be said.

Yes. I do.

Here's the point you're missing. America has already determined gay marriage is "right" and that's why Obama is making this move.

Granted we don't have a specific federal law that says gay marriage is legal but we have countless others that say discrimination is wrong. We also have laws and a general legal tradition that all citizens should have the same rights.

Not allowing gay marriage is discrimination. Gays do not chose to be that way, they are simply born different. Not allowing them to marry is denying them the same basic benefits you and I enjoy.

I'm sure the people who believed in Jim Crow laws didn't think they were discriminating either. The bottom line, you're on the wrong side of history. 100 years from now your descendants will look at gay marriage bans and think, "What was wrong with us, I thought we were supposed to be the good guys."

That is fine....the law should be changed....but to not defend a law that he doesn't like is not the thing to do...

Its all about money and how to tie another small minority section of the US to their voting pool. Dems can't win over the majority so the seek out and solicit votes from several minority groups to build their voting base.

Squeaky wheels get the grease and that is why minority groups gravitate to the deems. They get oiled. Problem conservatives have is that we are the majority and for the most part content. We don't unite or organize well enough for our voice to be heard. The recent tea party helped our voice but seems to have toned down since the elections Meanwhile minority voices still scream out and the Dems take advantage

phil said: "That is fine....the law should be changed....but to not defend a law that he doesn't like is not the thing to do..."

it's not the first time...
immigration law has not been defended for a long time....

There's no point in arguing either way. The crux of the argument is about civil liberties. Should gays be allowed to marry? If you believe in individual rights, YES.

The bigger question should be, why is the government involved with marriage to begin with? Marriage was originally a religious function, so let the churches decide on who they want to marry. And yes, there are thousands that would gladly accept and marry gays.

Politics today are disgusting. They barter for votes for their own selfish gain and egos compromising national security, freedom, liberty and prosperity in the process.

While I don’t believe in legislating morality, I also believe there are some things such as homosexuality which cannot be officially legitimized by government. I have known gay people and have always gotten along well with them. I do not believe I have to accept their sexual preferences as being RIGHT in order to
co-exist peaceably.

Only the extremely liberal mind can rationalize homosexuality as being 100% healthy, right, and natural. Nature itself proves without a doubt that it is most unnatural. It is an aberration in human nature and yet today it is being fostered and even promoted in schools.

Simple logic would tell you something is not at all RIGHT when you have people struggling with it trying to overcome this unnatural urge and desire. No one has to tell these people it is wrong. Their own conscience convicts them.

Only today in a climate of fake and superficial tolerance and being PC, are such things not considered wrong, or unnatural. The only thing today that seems to be okay to hate is Christians and their message of truth. It is even okay to say we are haters for saying that this kind of thing is wrong. The concept of loving people and simply hating the wrongs that people do is somehow inconceivable. I love my daughter very much but I hate it when she does something wrong. Out of love I appropriately discipline or admonish her to do right. In the same way a believer wants to point out things that are wrong knowing that they are generally harmful and destructive to themselves and others.