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soonermike said...
uh no...he made those remarks while the documentary was being filmed. Never once did he say that he regretted those comments during the documentary. Rose epitomized the "thug" life, along with his compatriots at Michigan. This is partially the reason why, while being renigades both on and off the court, they never won it all, and experienced legal and criminal issues after their tenure at Michigan.
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bruthaman said...
Fellas, I would venture to say that most of the black community feels that way about Duke. Jalen explained himself and its not really news to those who have grown up in the ghetto or in a public school setting. Right or wrong, thats how Duke is seen. Jalen is not a Thug. He still may feel that way, but so do most people in the black community IMO. I could be wrong, but Id put money on it. This has nothing to do with them winning or losing and I dont know what criminal issues you are talking about. They may have had legal and criminal troubles, but Im just not aware of what they are.
So, get mad, but IMO, its unfounded. Right or wrong, Shane Battier isnt going to visit the ghetto and get much respect. Unfortunately, he will be called a sellout or an Uncle Tom. It will be due to the way he talks, who he hangs around, if he has a white wife, the fact that he went to Duke and even his dress. All unfortunate, but truths are different in different communities. Same could be said for many black players from Duke. Its an bad stereotype, but thats what the deal is.
Jalen Rose is not a thug though. He is telling you guys the truth as he sees it and like I said before, its only news to white people. Im not shocked to hear it at all. Im sure Grant Hill has heard that before. Im sure most black players from Duke have heard it.
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OUDodger said...
Ignorance is never a good excuse. Jalen Rose and anyone else who thinks that about Duke is either ignorant or jealous.
Funny you mention Shane Battier who went to the same HS as Chris Webber (Detroit Country Day). The same Chris Webber who considered attending Duke and went on a recruiting trip to Duke (meaning he had some sort of respect for them). And why would Battier care if he visited the ghetto and got no respect? Respect in the ghetto is earned in some ways that I don't want anything to do with. They can hate on Battier or whoever they want, but he can always go home, prop his feet up, look at that Duke degree on the wall, and laugh all the way to the bank.
The charges against Webber include lying under oath to a grand jury.
There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.
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bruthaman said...
Youre taking my post out of context. Its not ignorance at all. Duke does recruit a certain type of black player. I used Battier as an example, but you can put in almost any black player you wish, not all, but many.
As for the respect in the ghetto. What I am trying to get you to see is that the perception, unfortunately, is that he isnt black despite his skin tone. Im not saying its right, but it is what it is. Going to Duke to many, not all, but many is selling out or being an uncle tom. They do hate on Battier or some other black Duke player and I am sure he could care less, but that doesnt change the perception of them thinking he and others are uncle toms. Its not right, but thats what it is.
As for lying under oath, I guess that is bad, but Id hardly call that being a thug. What about the rest of them?
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bruthaman said...
Call them what you want, but the perception of Duke is what it is. You dont have to like it or believe it, but its true. As for the athletic/intelligent arguement, most 18 year olds think that until they learn otherwise. Even Duke doesnt go out and win with a court full of true freshmen. So, just because they think that way doesnt make them weak. Most 18 year olds go through that process.
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bruthaman said...
Call them what you want, but the perception of Duke is what it is. You dont have to like it or believe it, but its true. As for the athletic/intelligent arguement, most 18 year olds think that until they learn otherwise. Even Duke doesnt go out and win with a court full of true freshmen. So, just because they think that way doesnt make them weak. Most 18 year olds go through that process.
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bruthaman said...
IMO, most black people in the ghetto think black people that go to Duke are uncle toms. Their perception is their reality. What Jalen Rose said is not news in the hood, you just wont see ESPN going to the hood to take a pole of that question. Are they uncle toms? I dont know them enough to say yes or no, but Im not going to call them that based on the school they commit to.
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bruthaman said...
Wow, a real question.
Uncle Tom:
•Tom: (ethnic slur) offensive and derogatory name for a Black man who is abjectly servile and deferential to Whites •a servile black character in a novel by Harriet Beecher Stowe wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
•Uncle Tom is a pejorative term for a black person who is perceived by others as behaving in a subservient manner to white authority figures, or as seeking ingratiation with them by way of unnecessary accommodation. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom
Real life examples:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/14/photographer-ernest-withers-fbi-informer http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIId.htm
The first link tells you about the man who pretty much sold out MLK for the FBI. Great example of Uncle Tom and the most recent I know of. The second is the program the FBI had to undermine any black group that came together for the purpose of improving our standing in America. It was called the Ghetto Informant Program. Pretty much any participant in that program could be called an Uncle Tom. They would act on the orders of the FBI to start rumors to destroy our groups from within, and it worked for the most part every time. It always ended with bruthas/sistas turning on each other.
My definition? Any black person that will sellout his own to others for his own personal gain. When slavery was accepted, it did have its detractors, but white americans decided that for the good of their race, they would allow it. Black people need to have that same attitude but every time there was a positive movement, a few took money from the FBI and other groups for their own personal gain and kept killing anything we had good to help ourselves out. Uncle Toms at their finest.
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