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***THE OFFICIAL "HELLO WIN COLUMN" THREAD***

  • And with that last post we're up to a whole 3 pages on this thread.

  • Unless you're a Yankee fan, this is developing good news. He wants four years, preferably 5 or 6. I want what he's smoking......

    ORLANDO, Fla. -- The New York Yankees would be happy to get Derek Jeter to agree to a three-year contract for $21 million a year, according to a source who has ties to both the team and the player.

    But Jeter, the source said, wants at least a four-year deal, preferably five or six. According to the source, there is at least one voice inside the Yankees' hierarchy urging the front office to play hard ball with Jeter.

    "Tell him the deal is three years at $15 million a year, take it or leave it," the person taking the hard-line approach said. "Wait him out and he'll wind up taking it. Where's he gonna go, Cincinnati?"

    But according to the source, the Yankees are fearful of fan backlash and a public relations nightmare if they let Jeter go.

    "Derek Jeter is a great Yankee and he's a great player," said Yankees president Randy Levine said. "With that said and done, now is a different negotiation than 10 years ago."

    Jeter earned $21 million in 2010, the last year of a 10-year contract worth $189 million. He will turn 37 before the 2011 All-Star break; and he's older than any other starting shortstop in the league. Despite winning the Gold Glove at his position for the 2010 season, he has lost significant range in the field. And his bat, fell off 44 points from his career average of .314, and 64 points off his transcendent 2009 season, when he hit .334.

    According to Levine, Yankees GM Brian Cashman was expected to contact Jeter's agent, Casey Close, Wednesday night or Thursday to check in.

    This post was edited by QRISooner 4 years ago

  • QRISooner said... (original post)

    Unless you're a Yankee fan, this is developing good news. He wants four years, preferably 5 or 6. I want what he's smoking......

    ORLANDO, Fla. -- The New York Yankees would be happy to get Derek Jeter to agree to a three-year contract for $21 million a year, according to a source who has ties to both the team and the player.

    But Jeter, the source said, wants at least a four-year deal, preferably five or six. According to the source, there is at least one voice inside the Yankees' hierarchy urging the front office to play hard ball with Jeter.

    "Tell him the deal is three years at $15 million a year, take it or leave it," the person taking the hard-line approach said. "Wait him out and he'll wind up taking it. Where's he gonna go, Cincinnati?"

    But according to the source, the Yankees are fearful of fan backlash and a public relations nightmare if they let Jeter go.

    "Derek Jeter is a great Yankee and he's a great player," said Yankees president Randy Levine said. "With that said and done, now is a different negotiation than 10 years ago."

    Jeter earned $21 million in 2010, the last year of a 10-year contract worth $189 million. He will turn 37 before the 2011 All-Star break; and he's older than any other starting shortstop in the league. Despite winning the Gold Glove at his position for the 2010 season, he has lost significant range in the field. And his bat, fell off 44 points from his career average of .314, and 64 points off his transcendent 2009 season, when he hit .334.

    According to Levine, Yankees GM Brian Cashman was expected to contact Jeter's agent, Casey Close, Wednesday night or Thursday to check in.

    Yankees have nobody to blame but themselves for this blunder. This is a direct result of giving A-Rod a 10 year deal, when nobody else would have given him 5.

    On a different note, I cannot stand this new board, which is why I have not posted on this thread until now. Not sure what bugs me so much about it, and I may just need to get used to it, but I find it annoying in so many ways. First thing they could do is get rid of the Hot, Warm, Cool nonsense in front of each board and thread. Who cares? So the Cool in front of the Apparel, etc. board is needed when I see that nobody has posted there in a week? Would be nice to have PM's, which they say may take 30-45 days? Just a complete screw up in so many ways.
    Oh well, I will get down from the soap box. Carry on.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by yaz67mvp 4 years ago

  • yaz67mvp said... (original post)

    Yankees have nobody to blame but themselves for this blunder. This is a direct result of giving A-Rod a 10 year deal, when nobody else would have given him 5.

    On a different note, I cannot stand this new board, which is why I have not posted on this thread until now. Not sure what bugs me so much about it, and I may just need to get used to it, but I find it annoying in so many ways. First thing they could do is get rid of the Hot, Warm, Cool nonsense in front of each board and thread. Who cares? So the Cool in front of the Apparel, etc. board is needed when I see that nobody has posted there in a week? Would be nice to have PM's, which they say may take 30-45 days? Just a complete screw up in so many ways. Oh well, I will get down from the soap box. Carry on.

    I agree on the board. I'm not sure what to do. I guess for a while I'll just wait and see if this gets better.

    I'm still posting on the old board and basically double posting. I guess the old board will get shut down soon though....

  • well there was that stuff a few years ago where he was going to quit and either play golf or cut the grass islands for the city but i think were over that. and the brad and jennifer deal is behind him too. hopefully hes not upset over tony and eva.

    when hes on the mound nothing really gets to him. his problem this year, and i dont understand it, was after dominating the al last year he changed the way he pitched over the winter. you would think hed make the hitters adjust. and he became frustrated by the direction of the club and the fact they didnt score him any runs. i think that had an effect on the way he pitched. his stuff was good but was more hittable(sort of like how lee was in those last few games). as far as im concerned hes still the guy they compared to maddux stuffwise and athletically.

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  • Felix Hernandez wins the AL Cy Young.

  • Looks like Cliff is going to get a huge offer from the Yankees that Texas can't match (expected)

    So it goes back to does he like Texas more, and when do you have enough money in life...

  • And I believe that the biggest mistake an organization can make is holding onto an old timer too long. Mostly because of money issues, and not developing that position for the future.

    But, it is the Yankees, who seem to have an unlimited amount of money (even though they are a reported $2 BILLION in debt)...

  • mrowl said... (original post)

    Looks like Cliff is going to get a huge offer from the Yankees that Texas can't match (expected)

    So it goes back to does he like Texas more, and when do you have enough money in life...

    Are you referring to this (not surprising, but I wonder just what they will offer and if it will be substantially higher than our offer.....I guess we'll know when Cliff wants us all to know):

    Brian Costa of the Wall Street Journal spoke with Nolan Ryan at the GM meetings on Thursday and asked him about Cliff Lee.

    This is what Costa Tweeted about the conversation: "Nolan Ryan said he expects Yankees to outbid Rangers for Cliff Lee. Said they'll try to sell appeal of Texas, but didn't sound confident."

    When asked on Tuesday about a Monday meeting with Lee, Lee's wife and Lee's agent, Ryan said: "If it's all about money, the Yankees can beat anybody on that. If it's a combination of money and lifestyle, we've got an advantage.

    "I do believe Kristen liked the fact she and the kids could go home [to Benton, just outside Little Rock] when we are on the road, be with family, and then come back to Arlington when we're at home, and it's like a 40-minute trip."

    Ryan also had this to say about the face-to-face meeting: "We got the answers we wanted, and we reconfirmed our interest in bringing him back," he said. "We left feeling good about the meeting, and I do think Cliff is very interested in playing here again."

    If Lee chooses to sign with the Yankees, Ryan indicated that he has a backup plan.

    However, he didn't include what it was.

    "We have a Plan A for the off-season, and that's to re-sign Cliff," he said. "But we also have to have a Plan B."

  • mrowl said... (original post)

    Looks like Cliff is going to get a huge offer from the Yankees that Texas can't match (expected)

    So it goes back to does he like Texas more, and when do you have enough money in life...

    Texas doesn't need to match it, there is no state income tax in Texas.

  • Soonerloud102 said... (original post)

    Texas doesn't need to match it, there is no state income tax in Texas.

    Yes and there is also a New York City tax. I can't remember the rate, but I want to say its over 5%. Also, and it would be hard to factor in, but the state of New York has SERIOUS budget problems. Not California serious, but close. So its pretty darn logical to think the tax rate may be going up in New York. Maybe a lot.

    I know JD and Co. are well aware of all this and probably have crunched so many numbers scenarios they're in the realm of particle physics.........

    Plus, if he stays here he can be deer hunting buddies with Hamilton. Anyone on the Yankees hunt? I don't see Jeter in a deer blind in the woods...in the cold.

  • Today looks dead. Nothing happening.......

  • Newberg nails it....

    From yesterday’s Newberg Report TROT COFFEY (and the 2011 Bound Edition):

    · Texas must finalize its 40-man roster tomorrow night in preparation for the Rule 5 Draft; sneak preview from the Bound Edition’s “40-Man Roster Conundrum” feature, a five-page discussion of the process of determining which prospects the club will add to the roster to protect them from exposure to the December 9 draft – at the end of the Conundrum, my prediction is that the Rangers put righthanders Fabio Castillo and Wilmer Font, lefthander Miguel De Los Santos, and outfielder Engel Beltre on the roster by tomorrow night

    From a press release just issued by the Rangers:

    The Texas Rangers announced today that the club has purchased the contracts of the following four players, adding all four to the club’s 40-man roster: right-handed pitchers Fabio Castillo and Wilmer Font, left-handed pitcher Miguel De Los Santos, and outfielder Engel (pronounced Angel) Beltre. With these additions, the Rangers now have 37 players on the club’s 40-man roster (see end of release for listing).

    Bam.

    -- Jamey

  • BBTIA adds this:

    Texas Adds Four Players To 40-Man; Font Underwent TJ Surgery
    Joey Matschulat | Friday, November 19, 2010 at 3:25 PM

    Per T.R. Sullivan:

    The Rangers are adding four Minor League players to their roster: pitchers Fabio Castillo and Wilmer Font, and outfielder Engel Beltre are three of them.

    Also catcher Kevin Cash and Esteban German have been signed to Minor League contracts.

    The fourth player in question is actually left-hander Miguel De Los Santos, who T.R. excluded from the above report for less-than-apparent reasons.

    Font, per Jason Cole, recently underwent Tommy John surgery and won't actually count against the 40-man roster limit, although that modicum of additional roster flexibility obviously doesn't begin to compensate for his loss -- he'll miss the entire 2011 season and hopefully come back in 2012 (his age-22 season), at which point we'll just hope that his fastball velocity remains largely intact and that he can move quickly through the system as a shutdown reliever. Jason Parks pegged him at No. 6 in his 2010 OFP series, which concluded thusly:

    Conclusion: Raised OFP grade two points based on potential of fastball (raw velocity grade could be 80 out of bullpen) and advanced feel for change-up. Font possesses a rare fastball, that has been clocked as high as 100 mph, and will routinely sit in the 92-96 range as a starter. His CU, a pitch with plus projection, is a nice compliment to his present FB and features above-average tumble and fade. His breaking ball is currently below average, but will flash promise, although it remains to be seen if the pitch can become a consistent offering, or if a slider would be a better fit for his arm action/slot.

    His current command is below average and lacks above-average projection, but he does have some feel for control and should eventually become an average strike-thrower. His overall approach still needs refinement, but the maturation process from thrower to pitcher is evident and encouraging. His present body leaves him a bit awkwardly coordinated, and he will need to stay focused on his overall conditioning as he continues to physically mature. Tool-based grade: 58; solid-average No. 2 starter at the major league level or frontline set-up man/second tier closer.

    Beltre was an obvious pick

  • I'll post this here too (Newberg):

    Here’s the thing. Should we be celebrating the fact that Texas has found a way to add the sixth overall pick from last June’s draft and start focusing on what the other four rotation spots will look like in three years?

    Should we be clearing schedules for those shoulder and elbow surgeries that many are calling inevitable for that first-rounder who just jumped at third-round money, wishing we could get that $312,000 back to pay three-fourths of someone’s minimum salary on the 2011 roster?

    Nowhere close to either extreme.

    There’s a difference between taking Miami righthander Kiki Bengochea in the 11th round (2002) and paying him what was then a high-third-round signing bonus ($550,000), and signing Texas A&M righthander Barret Loux, the sixth pick in the first round, for what was late-third-round money.

    Two rolls of the dice. Totally different risk/reward.

    I’ve never seen Loux pitch. Even if I had, I wouldn’t pretend I’ve got a handle on what his ceiling could be, where the reward level is.

    I don’t read MRI’s. Even if I did, I certainly wouldn’t sit here and tell you how stable Loux’s physical situation is, where the risk level sits.

    But even before Arizona, by all accounts, reached for Loux (who agreed to a pre-physical, below-slot bonus of $2 million) at number six in June, the draft expert industry projected him as a consideration by more than one club drafting later in the first round. Maybe not at a $2.34 million slot like Arizona’s, but some had him in the mix as high as 13th overall ($1.656 million slot) and a strong consideration at number 23 ($1.26 million slot).

    Texas is paying Loux $312,000 – a smaller amount than it paid eight other draft picks this year that we know of – to see if the shoulder and elbow belonging to someone many considered to be a first-round talent can hold up. And if the arm doesn’t, and surgery is needed? Ask C.J. Wilson and Colby Lewis if that means it’s time to find something new to do.

    A half a dozen of these reports could be written about the saga that began with the Diamondbacks’ selection of Loux on June 7 and ended with Bud Selig’s August 17 ruling, following Arizona’s decision to back out of the handshake deal, that the 21-year-old would become a free agent on September 1. No sense in rehashing all that here.

    The important thing, as far as a Rangers-centric view is concerned, is that tests administered before Arizona would sign Loux revealed damage in both his elbow (he’d had bone chips removed in 2009) and shoulder (which had cost him two months of action as a high school senior). Neither issue had interrupted his 2010 Aggies season (11-2, 2.83, .202 opponents’ average, 136 strikeouts [seventh most in the NCAA] in 105 innings, Third-Team All-America), but he couldn’t pass Arizona’s physical.

    The Diamondbacks had the choice between attempting to sign Loux for less money, or walking away, compensated with the number seven overall pick in what promises to be a stronger 2011 draft. Easy choice.

    The Rangers, with no real downside, stepped in and emerged from what was reported to be at least a dozen interested teams with Loux, who may have turned down larger offers from at least a couple teams – and took substantially less than the $800,000 Detroit offered him as its 24th-round pick in 2007, when he was coming out of Houston Stratford High School.

    Why is that? Could Loux (pronounced like “loud” but with an x at the end, I think) have headed to the independent leagues in an effort to reestablish his market for 2011, instead of signing at a huge discount? Suppose so. But maybe he felt better about the protection of his arm, the training and conditioning and medical support, that a big league club – Texas in particular – could offer him now.

    Loux went back to College Station this fall, not to prepare for the 2011 Aggies season (he was ineligible to do so, having hired an agent to negotiate with the Diamondbacks) but to work toward his finance degree and throw for big league scouts. (He’d joined the Cotuit Kettleers of the Cape Cod League at the end of July but I don’t believe he ever saw any game action.)

    The is not the same situation as Tanner Scheppers’s a year ago, and Loux is not the talent that Scheppers is. Even if healthy, he wouldn’t fit among the Rangers’ top 10 prospects (which I’ve ranked in the 2011 Bound Edition as Martin Perez, Scheppers, Jurickson Profar, Engel Beltre, Robbie Erlin, Michael Kirkman, Luis Sardinas, Robbie Ross, David Perez, and Wilmer Font) and maybe not even in the back half of the top 20 (Jake Skole, Jorge Alfaro, Fabio Castillo, Joe Wieland, Matt Thompson, Luke Jackson, Christian Villanueva, Miguel De Los Santos, Mike Olt, Omar Beltre).

    But it’s another talented arm to add to the system, and at third-round money the risk is hard to get too worked up about. There’s risk in paying three times as much to a healthy 16-year-old from Venezuela, too, or tens of millions to a Japanese club and its player to bring him to the States. They’re all gambles, on some scale.

    Nobody knows what will become of Loux (with apologies to Big Papi), and whether his path will get interrupted on the way to the big leagues, temporarily or worse, but given the size of the investment, I’m a lot happier that his path begins not with Los Angeles or Oakland, not with Tampa Bay or New York, not with San Francisco or Philadelphia, but with the Rangers.

  • More on Loux is at www.bbtia.com

    Good read, as always.

  • A good read from TR Sullivan

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101119&content_id=16155556&vkey=news_tex&c_id=tex&partnerId=rss_tex

  • From the Rangers website:

    ARLINGTON -- Rangers outfielder Josh Hamilton has been nominated for Sports Illustrated's Sportsman of the Year Award. The winner will be announced in December.

    According to a release from the magazine, Hamilton was nominated "for his dominant play of the field this season but also for being a person who goes to incredible lengths for his team day in and day out."

    Hamilton led the Major Leagues with a .359 average while hitting 32 home runs and driving in 100 runs as the Rangers won the American League West division title and went to the World Series for the first time in club history.

    He has already won the Sporting News MLB Player of the Year; Sporting News AL All-Star Team; Players Choice Award for AL Outstanding Player; Louisville Slugger Silver Slugger Award; New York BBWAA Chapter Sid Mercer-**** Young Player of the Year Award and the Boston BBWAA Chapter Ted Williams Award as baseball's top hitter.

    The American League Most Valuable Player Award will be announced on Monday.

  • Not that it will probably help the Rangers in pitching but didn't we pick up Mark Prior toward the end of last season from an independent team and send him to OKC

  • soonerinNtx said... (original post)

    Not that it will probably help the Rangers in pitching but didn't we pick up Mark Prior toward the end of last season from an independent team and send him to OKC

    Yes. It'll be interesting to see if he can make a minor league team this spring. Trying to come back after so long must be really tough.

  • Another day of nothing.

    NL MVP announced tomorrow.

    AL MVP announced Tuesday.

  • QRISooner said... (original post)

    Another day of nothing.

    Yeah, not much happening in the way of big news, just tons of little rumors, most
    planted by agents to drive the price up for their clients. Might be some action by the
    end of the week.

  • Soonerloud102 said... (original post)

    Yeah, not much happening in the way of big news, just tons of little rumors, most planted by agents to drive the price up for their clients. Might be some action by the end of the week.

    Yeah, this week some things may start to get done.....

    Do you get the Newberg emails? Do you have any of his "bound edition" books?

  • Newberg on arbitration stuff:

    Tomorrow’s the deadline for teams to offer arbitration to their own free agents in order to lock in their right to draft pick compensation should the players sign elsewhere.

    A team losing a Type A free agent (ranked by the Elias Sports Bureau to be in the top 20 percent in their position grouping, according to a classified formula that only David Ortiz has access to) that it offered arbitration to (or that signed elsewhere before tomorrow’s deadline) gets two picks as compensation: the signing team’s first-rounder the following June if that team drafts in the back half of the round or its second-rounder if it drafts in the front half, plus a “sandwich pick” that’s not actually forfeited but instead part of a manufactured supplemental round between rounds one and two.

    A team losing a Type B free agent (ranked in the 21-40 percent grouping) that it offered arbitration to (or that signed elsewhere before tomorrow’s deadline) gets a sandwich pick – the player’s new team forfeits nothing.

    Last winter Texas had no Type A free agents, and two Type B’s, Marlon Byrd and Ivan Rodriguez. The Rangers offered arbitration to each (I explained in a report on December 1 why even the Rodriguez offer was no surprise), netting a sandwich pick when they signed with the Cubs and Nationals. With those picks, Texas drafted and eventually signed Florida high school righthander Luke Jackson and University of Connecticut third baseman Mike Olt.

    It’s a different situation this off-season, as Texas has no Type B’s – but four Type A’s: Cliff Lee, Vladimir Guerrero, Frankie Francisco, and Bengie Molina. (The club also has three no-compensation free agents: Jorge Cantu, Cristian Guzman, and Matt Treanor.)

    Interestingly, the Rangers probably would have preferred that Guerrero and Molina and particular would have been Type B’s. Even though the return compensation is one premium pick instead of two, a Type B designation would have meant no disincentive for another team to sign the player. A team tentatively interested in Guerrero or Molina as Type A’s might decide surrendering a first- or second-round pick for the player isn’t worth the signing, whereas a Type B designation wouldn’t affect the signing team at all and would virtually assure Texas the sandwich pick in each case if the player signed elsewhere. And to complete the picture, Texas may not want to offer Guerrero or Molina arbitration because of the risk that they’d accept it, as the arbitration process would probably generate a 2011 salary for each that exceeds what the Rangers would want to pay.

    The deadline for free agents to accept arbitration offers is a week from tomorrow.

    The easy decision is on Lee, who the Rangers will obviously offer arbitration to (no downside), and who will obviously decline the offer. Texas will either sign Lee, or get the Yankees’ first-rounder and a supplemental first. (The only exception, assuming New York is the team he were to leave for, would be if the Yankees also signed Jayson Werth or Rafael Soriano, as they’re the only two Type A’s with higher rankings than Lee. If the Yankees signed Werth and Lee, for instance, Philadelphia would get their first-round pick in June, and Texas would get their second-rounder.)

    (Anecdote: Arizona signed Rangers free agent Todd Stottlemyre after the 1998 season, which normally would have resulted in the Rangers receiving the Diamondbacks’ second-round pick along with the sandwich pick – but Arizona also signed Randy Johnson and Greg Swindell that winter, meaning Houston got the Diamondbacks’ second-rounder, Boston got their third, and the Rangers got their fourth. Interestingly, though, Texas made the best pick in June, as the Astros took high school catcher Jay Perez [who never reached the big leagues] with the second-round pick, the Red Sox took high school lefthander Rich Rundles [six big league innings] with the third, and the Rangers took Kevin Mench with the fourth. The Rangers drafted Colby Lewis with the sandwich pick they got for the loss of Stottlemyre.)

    Guerrero and Molina, tougher calls. Francisco’s not a slam dunk, either, though assuming the Rangers aren’t concerned that there could be long-term effects from his ribcage strain, he’ll probably get an offer. Especially given the way that the middle relief market has been set with Joaquin Benoit’s Detroit contract, Francisco’s market value is likely greater than his arbitration value, even with the draft pick forfeiture attached – and the Rangers would presumably be willing to take him back on a one-year, arbitration-driven salary if he were to accept the club’s arbitration offer by November 30.

    One other factor: Day One of the 2011 draft is expected to be much stronger than it was in 2010. The prospect of adding multiple picks in the top round or two (and paying the seven-figure bonuses) will be more appealing this coming year, and not just because Texas will likely have more money to spend.

    There’s also the matter of whether other teams will offer arbitration to their own free agents and how that could affect the Rangers’ plans. Texas is already reported to have interest in Type A free agent Victor Martinez, for instance, and he would cost the club’s first-round pick to sign; the Rangers may have heightened interest in other Type A’s who are not offered arbitration and thus wouldn’t cost a pick. Last winter, Darren Oliver fit that description. Could someone like Magglio Ordonez this time around?

    More on all of this once the Rangers and everyone else make their free agent arbitration decisions, due to be submitted to the league tomorrow night.

  • It doesn't matter where a player plays. It only matters where a player's legal residence is. Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez both have legal residences in Florida, as does Rivera and other Yankees. I would be surprised if any of them live in New York, much less New York City. Lee could claim Arkansas as his legal residence, or just about anywhere else he chooses.