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National Merit Scholars; Lavish $85,000 scholarships (link)

  • Pragmatic said... (original post)

    Right. That's why I prefer more scholarships to sharp kids. Say 3 @ $5,000. Rather than 1 @ $15,000. You know 1 or 2 or 3 of those 3 are going to excel. That - to me - is a better use of scarce resource - scholarship $ Dollars.

    i'm all for giving the full ride type scholarships to recruit the very top students, even out of staters. it is good for the university as a whole (even those students who may not have that type of scholarship offer), which in turn is good for the state of oklahoma. anything less & OU won't retain nearly as many of the top in state students & won't attract top out of state students.

    my only point was that the natl merit criteria may not be the best way to id the very top students which you then aggressively recruit. you could have a 4.0/4.0 gpa, 35 act, 1550+ sat (on the 1600pt scale), recommendations out the wazoo & get missed by it if you had a bad day on the psat. a student with those kind of scores will probably get a full ride somewhere, it's too bad that OU would likely miss out on them. by the way, asking that kind of student to pay half their cost probably isn't the way to bring them to OU either (see full ride elsewhere....).

  • boomerball said... (original post)

    i'm all for giving the full ride type scholarships to recruit the very top students, even out of staters. it is good for the university as a whole (even those students who may not have that type of scholarship offer), which in turn is good for the state of oklahoma. anything less & OU won't retain nearly as many of the top in state students & won't attract top out of state students.

    my only point was that the natl merit criteria may not be the best way to id the very top students which you then aggressively recruit. you could have a 4.0/4.0 gpa, 35 act, 1550+ sat (on the 1600pt scale), recommendations out the wazoo & get missed by it if you had a bad day on the psat. a student with those kind of scores will probably get a full ride somewhere, it's too bad that OU would likely miss out on them. by the way, asking that kind of student to pay half their cost probably isn't the way to bring them to OU either (see full ride elsewhere....).

    boomerball, I'm with you in terms of not putting as much emphasis on the national merit designation, but I am less concerned about missing out on a student like the one you mentioned and more worried about rewarding the student who is a good test taker but has less than stellar grades. If my understanding is correct (and things may have changed some in recent years, so I might be mistaken), a student who has an off day on the PSAT but comparably good SAT or ACT scores and good grades will be able to get a fairly similar financial aid package at OU since such a student would still get the OSRHE money and some additional OU scholarships (I'm less sure about this for out-of-state students, since I do not know if OU waves the out-of-state portion of the tuition for non-national merit scholars). There certainly are some really good students, though, that just miss the national merit and OSRHE cutoff who do not qualify for nearly as much in scholarship aid at OU (say, 30-31 ACT, 1400 SAT, 4.0 GPA). Those students may well get better offers from elsewhere. It would be nice to be able to do more for those excellent students, but there is only so much money to go around, and you have to start by awarding it to the top students. I don't know if OU does so, but I would not be opposed to offering a limited number of big scholarships to worthy students based on their total body of work, grades, test scores, extracurriculars, an interview, etc., without simply following a set standard. I also would be in favor of trying to provide more scholarship money to students already at OU who are earning top grades.

    This post was edited by SoonerBeau 3 years ago